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For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution
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RE: For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution
(October 17, 2018 at 6:30 pm)android17ak47 Wrote: This is something I posted today on youtube videos where Christians have defended creationism but attributes evolution to his creation, as well as the big bang. Religious folks have no business using receant discoveries that contradict the claims in genesis. Either you trust what the prophets and patriarchs said about god having revealed to them, or dont trust them at all which means you have noone to trust from ancient days who claimed he exists and told them so. If you cant trust everything these people in the bible said, then you cant say the god that told them these things even exists because you rely on thier word that the god of the hebrews exists, and exists alone as a god and no other.

Here's my comment I left on the videos. How can you honestly argue with this? If you can, ide love to hear your reply.

"sorry but no, the god of the hebrews cannot recant the genesis account.

The fact of the matter is that the men in ancient days who want the rest of us to believe in the version of the god they alone spoke to, say this imaginary proprietary god for the jews told them it happened that way as depicted in genesis. if any other religion who's god claimed creationism were to say it happened any other way, christians muslims and jews would jump all over thier case to say that thier errors inscripture proves thier god doesnt exist or else thier prophets wouldnt make errors in judgement when providing fallible details about creation.

You dont get to recant what was said in genesis. People depend on the people in old days who had visions of this god to know if this god exists or not, and look at what they say this god whispered in  thier ears alone. this god that only the jews knew about and worshipped is a false one and the scriptures written prove this god never existed and told anybody anything. it was dellusional human beings hallucenating this shit up, and as smart as we think we are in the 21st century, we are still gullible enough as a species to accept superstition, and it seems the jewish brand of superstition rules the world.

If in the future a new religion arises and with a new version of god who gets credit for creation, and attributes evolution and big bang to the creation, then a few hundred years go by and the religion grows expedentially, humans will favor this religion because the believers will convince others of this god because of the accuracy of this god's creation story, and the followers will assume this god had actually been around longer than when the religion was created on record, and the religion's who's scriptures include the jhebrew god will die off in favor of the one who's god did it the way nature seems to have done it.

its the a, b, c's of creating a religion. You attribute your claims of this god's creation to common knowledge of the time. Just like everybody back in the days genesis was wrote believed the earth was flat, you get books like job that will say the earth was shaped like a clay under a seal, which is flat and circular, and that god will shake his enemies off of it, which was believed back in the day that people could fall off the flat earth's edges, and that the earth stands on pillars. This was "common knowledge" back in those days everywhere, so the jews gave thier god credit for this style of an earth's creation. now we know this was a lie, just like the cosmos and all living creatures were created within 6 24hour periods. The god of the hebrews never existed, and the shit the people who validated his existence show it by what they said god told them about creation. They made him up and pretended he talked these things to them."

what a poor closed minded view of the little world you think you live in..

So genesis 1:1 through genesis 2:3 gives a 7 day account of creation including a rest.

1 starts out "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, but the earth was without form and empty..." there is no time line here sport.. Again NO TIME LINE for the creation of the cosmos. did you notice that? it simply says in the beginning God did X and Y and X and Y so happen to repersent everything outside of this atmosphere, and God did so without a time limit. could have been a month yeat or 100 bazillion years!!!

riddle me this.. did you world view get any bigger just now?

Day one. God created light.. not the sun, read it again God created light, from a planetary wide perspective the sky for the first time lit up think dreary over cast day where there is light but no idea where the sun is... then darkness again and that was considered to be a day.. 

But without the sun with and not being able to see the stars planet side... how can you assume that 24 hours had elapsed? the word does not say 24 hours had elapsed only one day had passed. could have been 20 hours or 23 hours or 24 and 1/2 hours or 24 days.. years... months... decades.... 24 millenia... we only have the light and the darkness to count the passing of a day,  and we do not know how long that time was. To God... it was one day. which we are told to us may seem like a 1000 years...

Checking the oil again.. has your little world gotten any bigger yet???

Next point of truth.. this day and darkness thing wasn't a one or two day deal... it wasn't till day 4 was complete that TIME was invented. meaning a way to count the days. Ie the sun moon and stars... so 24 hour period was impossible to gauge till this point in time.

From then in two days God need not make a finish product, only plant the seed or put evolution of what was called for in motion.. by placing one pool of slime in the right spot to become trees or grass or birds or people..

That said genesis 2:4 forward is a completely different story. Genesis 2 is the story that tell of Jesus' creation of Adam and Eve and the Garden of eden that happened between day 3 and 4 of the Father's creation of the rest of the world... The garden/Created by Christ was a perfect picture of the world 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve was dispelled from the garden. meaning Adam was compatible with the evolution of humanity, plants and animals.. While in the garden Adam and eve were immortal per the tree of life and when they sinned they died.

hold on to something because you world where bible and science can not mix is about to be obliterated..

But all that said the important thing here again was there no time line between the end of genesis 2 the completion of the Garden and the beginning of genesis 3 which happened 6000 years ago which marked the exodus of the garden... which means the whole of your little evolutionary world could fit well with in the garden narrative without changing a blessed word of the bible, nor we not change anything in evolution except to replace natural and nature/selection with Hand of God.  

and boom, This is how genesis completely assimilates and consumes the whole of evolution without changing 1 blessed word of the bible. No time line between the end of gen 2 and the start of 3 means you can take as looooooooooooong as you'd like to say evolution took, with adam and eve fit snuggly in the garden waiting till that moment 6000 years ago whee boredom of living forever in a garden 2/3 of the US over took eve and she had to taste the one thing in that whole garden she never even touched! then count the genealogies forward to Christ and add about 2000 years to that and we come to now...

So.. check and mate sport.
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RE: For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution - by Drich - October 23, 2018 at 2:54 pm

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