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For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution
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RE: For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution
(October 23, 2018 at 2:54 pm)Drich Wrote:
(October 17, 2018 at 6:30 pm)android17ak47 Wrote: "sorry but no, the god of the hebrews cannot recant the genesis account.
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what a poor closed minded view of the little world you think you live in..

So genesis 1:1 through genesis 2:3 gives a 7 day account of creation including a rest.

1 starts out "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, but the earth was without form and empty..." there is no time line here sport.. Again NO TIME LINE for the creation of the cosmos. did you notice that? it simply says in the beginning God did X and Y and X and Y so happen to repersent everything outside of this atmosphere, and God did so without a time limit. could have been a month yeat or 100 bazillion years!!!

riddle me this.. did you world view get any bigger just now?

Day one. God created light.. not the sun, read it again God created light, from a planetary wide perspective the sky for the first time lit up think dreary over cast day where there is light but no idea where the sun is... then darkness again and that was considered to be a day.. 

But without the sun with and not being able to see the stars planet side... how can you assume that 24 hours had elapsed? the word does not say 24 hours had elapsed only one day had passed. could have been 20 hours or 23 hours or 24 and 1/2 hours or 24 days.. years... months... decades.... 24 millenia... we only have the light and the darkness to count the passing of a day,  and we do not know how long that time was. To God... it was one day. which we are told to us may seem like a 1000 years...

Checking the oil again.. has your little world gotten any bigger yet???

Next point of truth.. this day and darkness thing wasn't a one or two day deal... it wasn't till day 4 was complete that TIME was invented. meaning a way to count the days. Ie the sun moon and stars... so 24 hour period was impossible to gauge till this point in time.

From then in two days God need not make a finish product, only plant the seed or put evolution of what was called for in motion.. by placing one pool of slime in the right spot to become trees or grass or birds or people..

That said genesis 2:4 forward is a completely different story. Genesis 2 is the story that tell of Jesus' creation of Adam and Eve and the Garden of eden that happened between day 3 and 4 of the Father's creation of the rest of the world... The garden/Created by Christ was a perfect picture of the world 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve was dispelled from the garden. meaning Adam was compatible with the evolution of humanity, plants and animals.. While in the garden Adam and eve were immortal per the tree of life and when they sinned they died.

hold on to something because you world where bible and science can not mix is about to be obliterated..

But all that said the important thing here again was there no time line between the end of genesis 2 the completion of the Garden and the beginning of genesis 3 which happened 6000 years ago which marked the exodus of the garden... which means the whole of your little evolutionary world could fit well with in the garden narrative without changing a blessed word of the bible, nor we not change anything in evolution except to replace natural and nature/selection with Hand of God.  

and boom, This is how genesis completely assimilates and consumes the whole of evolution without changing 1 blessed word of the bible. No time line between the end of gen 2 and the start of 3 means you can take as looooooooooooong as you'd like to say evolution took, with adam and eve fit snuggly in the garden waiting till that moment 6000 years ago whee boredom of living forever in a garden 2/3 of the US over took eve and she had to taste the one thing in that whole garden she never even touched! then count the genealogies forward to Christ and add about 2000 years to that and we come to now...

So.. check and mate sport.

the fact of the matter is that the isrealites/hebrews had their own personal version of a god, and after this god was made up just like other cultures made up their own personal versions of gods, the hebrews gave him attributes including copycatting what other prior gods had done giving their personal god credit for these things as time went on, and these oral and written traditions as seen in the hebrew scriptures and holy bible are evident for how fake this version of god is just like all other gods are fake. 

One thing I love about this god is that he is just as evasive as any other invisible noninteracting version of gods humans have invented, and just like in other cultures, this god never reveals itsself to humans in other cultures, just to individual jews once in a great while, and always in the form of a hallucenation, or im sorry I mean vision, something less than reality. This is no different from how individuals confirm the existance of a god in other religious cultures that believe in other gods. No god has ever just outright shown itsself or spoke to more than one individual at a time. Two people cant hallucenate the same thing at the same time to confirm it wasnt just thier mind playing tricks on them.

You explain me this, why in the heck would any real god just let humans around the world for thousands of years live their entire lives only being aware of a false religion and worship another god or gods, not ever having a chance to hear what is true and know it, then punish them after death for rejecting a truth they never heard? 

Theres a reason why there has been so many gods worshipped and religions conceived by humans yet no god has ever just set things straight so humans wouldnt die having lived a lie. That is because we are the ones who created gods, not the other way around, and these scriptures are sooo evident of this. Sure when taken litterally the history accounts in genesis are myths, thats because no god ever told a man to say and write these things down for others to believe, its all religious tradition that has to blame for this, and the gods that are given credit for these litteral feets are just as manmade as the myths that go along with these stories in all scriptures.

(October 23, 2018 at 4:30 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:
(October 17, 2018 at 6:30 pm)android17ak47 Wrote: "sorry but no, the god of the hebrews cannot recant the genesis account.

But... but, Yahweh Sabaoth was the Babylonian war god, the god of the armies, (the Lord of hosts ... a "host" is a battle formation).
The Hebrews wanted help with their battles ... so they picked him, (and of course wrote that he "picked" them). Anyone smell a rat ?  

You can recant yer wine, you can recant yer vows, but ya can't recant yer Genesis.
You can quote me on that one. Uh huh.

Indubitably

religion needs apologists to make up for how fictional these stories have been revealed to be. People believe in thier god and religion so blindly they just cant realize they have been fooled by a false religion, made up by people so long ago who couldnt but help both steal stories from other cultures to give thier own personal version of god credit for fantastic events that were said to have happened, and honestly thought dreams and hallucenations by respected individuals in thier religious communities were communications from the supernatural. Thank goodness for modern science, we can now explain how all of these things happen naturally, both in nature and in the mind. I just wish I hadnt been born in a time where humans still believed superstitious hogwash and killed and oppressed each other over the nonsense laws a few individuals long ago made up.
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RE: For those who believe the god of abraham was behind the big bang or evolution - by android17ak47 - October 29, 2018 at 4:12 am

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