(December 1, 2018 at 3:17 pm)Amarok Wrote:(December 1, 2018 at 3:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: You still don’t understand you can not give democracy as a gift.Indeed you can't give people a Democracy nor was that the goal . The goal was a puppet regime .Just like countless other times America has "spread Democracy "
The best you can do is try to give the facade and the institutions of democracy as a gift.
Facade and Instititution of democracy does not equal democracy.
For many societies, the fact that the facade and institution of democracy is a terrible curse that will wreck the society without giving birth to actual democracy is something they understand because of their on-the-ground experience of their societal world view and deeper societal power structure, but we in our airy conceit can not see from 80,000 feet nor fathom or imagine in our doctrinarian mind.
Democractic facade or institution has either failed or is on life support everywhere in the Middle East. It has never ever midwifed any democracy in that part of the world.
If the goal was a puppet regime why isn't democratic Iraq a puppet state now? As soon as Iraq got its first elected government it became cozy with Iran, America's greatest nemesis in the region. America was always frustrated by the elected governments of Iraq because they were giving a free hand to Iran to come in and do what they want. Naturally America would have expected the Iraqis to share their interests and be closer to them, after all America was the one that gifted them democracy. But America never forced Iraq to become its puppet, America got very little out of the Iraq war for itself. It truly was a selfless act even if the motive was not 100% pure. The result is what matters.
