(December 2, 2018 at 10:23 am)Cherub786 Wrote:(December 2, 2018 at 10:19 am)Brian37 Wrote: In a world of nuclear weapons, to stupidly say we should overthrow any nation we don't like is FUCKING STUPID.
First of all, overthrowing doesn't always require a full on military invasion. Intelligence and stealth can do a lot too. Remember how the CIA overthrew a leftist govt. in Iran circa 1953. And similarly, the CIA did great work in Mesoamerica in containing leftist militias from taking over several states there. The greatest adversaries are Russia and China. As long as these 2 states are relatively stable at home they will pose a threat and expand their influence. You need a new project to destabilize them both from the inside eventually leading to the collapse of those regimes like how the USSR collapsed.
There is no such thing as a "leftist" government. I am a liberal, I value the protection of pluralism. I am sick of the bullshit slur that all closed societies are "leftist". No, they are conservative. Iran does not value political or religious pluralism. They are a one party CONSERVATIVE theocracy.
China is also A CONSERVATIVE STATE. It values blind loyalty to ONE PARTY. That is hardly a value of openness and pluralism.
And what Reagan did with "tear down that wall" had nothing to do with the GOP starting the age of failed trickle down economics. From a social perspective in pushing an open society in Germany and Russia, he was right. But that does not mean what he did locally here with economics worked.
"Capitalism" is not a form of government. China allows the private sector too, it is why when you go to Walmart you see 99% of the labels on products "made in China". They are a one party conservative AUTHORITARIAN capitalist country. The Saudi Royal Family also are a RICH family who owns banks and oil companies. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in General Electric. Fidel Castro died with an estimated personal wealth of $800 million.
What failed with Iran ending up in a theocracy, was our miscalculation that by busting them up it would lead towards a more open society. But that does not make the Iran we have now a liberal country, to claim it is is absolute bullshit.
Again, "liberal" does not mean closed, it means "open".
