(January 5, 2019 at 3:15 am)Godscreated Wrote:(January 3, 2019 at 5:50 pm)DoubtingHerFaith Wrote: Well in Christianity in Revelations a bunch of stuff is supposed to happen first, and I guess I never noticed how in the Gospels they seemed to be anticipating it happening during their lifetime! yeah, I really didn't notice and I didn't notice Jesus saying
"For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“
soo........."Truly" that's a lie..........
Define what you believe the kingdom is.
GC
(January 4, 2019 at 3:47 pm)alw0992 Wrote: One thing that needs to be remember is that Judaic theology and Christian theology are two different things, not to mention two different religions. Jewish concept of a "messiah" is an earthly ruler and it centers around the Jewish people and Israel. Not a supernatural offspring from an invisible deity with the intent of saving all of humanity. Also for the "messiah" to arrive, certain things have to take place with regards to the state of Israel, Jews, the religion, re-construction of the temple and so on. Not blood moons, four horsemen, not vague (or poor) interpretations of Judaic theology and philosophy, or beings with several eyes, so on and so on. Simple comparative religious studies show that the Judaism and Christianity are just spin offs of one another. Judaism and Christianity are spin offs of the local folk religions. Christianity clams of fulfillment of prophecies to claim legitimacy of it's claims while at same time returns to the polytheistic beliefs of the region and Europe. As time has gone on, Christianity is just a conglomeration local pagan beliefs. Trinity, ritual, divinity, un-speakable names of god, and so on.
Funny thing you have stated, you say Judaism and Christianity are two different religions, the you proceed to say they are spin offs of each other, which would make them intertwined and basically the same, seems you need to believe one or the other. For the Jews the messiah might mean an earthly ruler for them, they have always been an arrogant people the bible shows us this clearly. What else does the Bible teach clearly that the "Messiah" is for all people and this teaching starts in the OT. Another thing the Trinity is mentioned though not by name in the first chapters of Genesis and even affirmed in the NT. This covers thousands of years.
GC
They are different in they they teach two different things; "messiah," soul, after-life, etc. Also in the fact that you have other authoritative texts such as the Talmud and Zohar. Where they are spin-offs is that Christianity cherry picks and misrepresents Judaic theology to attempt to justify its theology. However, most of what is taught in Christianity today is the result of councils, written creeds, adaptions of other religions to gain converts (such as paganism), break away from other larger groups, and so on. Religion is great to read about and research and learn some philosophical insight but there's a point where the rubber meets the road; meaning are you going to follow reason and logic, or be completely true to the faith and suspend all reason; because in the end you can't have both.
