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Help me not fear heaven/hell
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RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
"No counselor worth their salt would try to convince one way or the other that there is or isn't a heaven. "

That depends.

The key is 'worth their salt' Here we have a Christian Telephone counselling service called "Living Hope" That's exactly the kind of thing they would do,. I learned about them from a couple of their ex clients. Eg "you're a Christian aren't you? How can you possibly be depressed" They would not suggest abortion as an option to say a pregnant teen.

Having been a telephone counsellor, I agree that a good telephone counsellor is non directive. That is not the case with psychologists and psychiatrists; such counselling tends to be directive.. EG They will challenge delusional beliefs. In our friend's case, they would try to discover the underlying cause of the fear.

My current psychiatrist challenged my atheism, very briefly, very lightly in the early stages of my treatment.. My perception was and is that she thought some kind of spiritual belief would be of therapeutic value. She in no way suggested any specific beliefs. Nor has he treatment been tinged with obvious Christian beliefs.

Over the years, I have seen a 'goodly number' of shrinks and psychologists. Have been seeing my current psychiatrist for five years. These day it is every few months, for 'maintenance'.
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Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 4:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by no one - March 16, 2019 at 5:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Amarok - March 16, 2019 at 5:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 16, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:07 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fake Messiah - March 17, 2019 at 3:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 8:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 4:37 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 7:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by arewethereyet - March 16, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Gwaithmir - March 16, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 16, 2019 at 8:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 12:25 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 5:37 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Deesse23 - March 17, 2019 at 5:43 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by downbeatplumb - March 17, 2019 at 6:12 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 17, 2019 at 10:17 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 18, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 19, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 12:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 20, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2019 at 6:10 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 11:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 18, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 18, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 10:43 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 18, 2019 at 12:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 18, 2019 at 1:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 18, 2019 at 1:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by adey67 - March 18, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 19, 2019 at 7:57 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 19, 2019 at 11:27 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Brian37 - March 19, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 19, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 8:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 4:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 25, 2019 at 3:34 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 7:13 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 9:17 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 25, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - April 1, 2019 at 6:49 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 25, 2019 at 12:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 27, 2019 at 12:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:56 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Cecelia - March 25, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 26, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 1:01 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 27, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 4:02 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 6:56 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 28, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2019 at 6:55 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 1, 2019 at 2:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 28, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 1:45 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 3, 2019 at 7:35 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 9:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 10:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SlowCalculations - June 4, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - June 4, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - June 18, 2019 at 3:36 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SenseMaker007 - June 18, 2019 at 5:08 am

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