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Help me not fear heaven/hell
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
(March 27, 2019 at 4:02 pm)tackattack Wrote: Practically, you could skullfuck a child. If you have the right equipment. Would you is a different question and is being only part of this particular part of the conversation. I agree, if you have free will you have free will. Absolute evil is the space opposite of absolute good in the vernacular. Sin is action opposite of God's will, in the vernacular. Did Christ have free will? Did Christ sin? Could Christ have sinned? Yes. No, Yes.

You can't really get rid of the interpretive structure we use to process. You can't separate the information harvester from the process. You don't have to will to be what you are, but that's a very nascent form of information gatherer without volition. We constantly will ourselves otherwise, intentionally or instinctively, albeit incrementally.

I suppose, conceptually that death signifies the termination of sensory input in the materialist view. No input no choice, no choice no will. If you retain your free will in death then there would have to be a choice and an input to continue the cycle of choosing, learning and growing. I don't know why it would matter if you kept or lost your free will in death, that wasn't my point. My point was the connotation of sin implies that you can sin this side of the afterlife. Snow seems to imply a belief "True Christians" can't sin and I was allowing snow to ellaborate on their concept.

It seems as though God could have simplified all this mess by creating only those people he knew would never, of their own free will, commit a sinful act.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 4:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by no one - March 16, 2019 at 5:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Amarok - March 16, 2019 at 5:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 16, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:07 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fake Messiah - March 17, 2019 at 3:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 8:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 4:37 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 7:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by arewethereyet - March 16, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Gwaithmir - March 16, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 16, 2019 at 8:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 12:25 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 5:37 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Deesse23 - March 17, 2019 at 5:43 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by downbeatplumb - March 17, 2019 at 6:12 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 17, 2019 at 10:17 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 18, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 19, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 12:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 20, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2019 at 6:10 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 11:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 18, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 18, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 10:43 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 18, 2019 at 12:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 18, 2019 at 1:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 18, 2019 at 1:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by adey67 - March 18, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 19, 2019 at 7:57 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 19, 2019 at 11:27 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Brian37 - March 19, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 19, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 8:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 4:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 25, 2019 at 3:34 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 7:13 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 9:17 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 25, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - April 1, 2019 at 6:49 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 25, 2019 at 12:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 27, 2019 at 12:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:56 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Cecelia - March 25, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 26, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 1:01 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 27, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 4:02 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 6:56 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 28, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2019 at 6:55 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 1, 2019 at 2:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 28, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 1:45 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 3, 2019 at 7:35 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 9:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 10:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SlowCalculations - June 4, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - June 4, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - June 18, 2019 at 3:36 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SenseMaker007 - June 18, 2019 at 5:08 am

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