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Help me not fear heaven/hell
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell
(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: God can’t violate his nature.
If so, god is not omnipotent. He/she/it/housecat has limitations. What other limitations do you imagine your god has?

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Spoken to Moses in the 5 epic words in which He described himself: Moses asked who should I say has sent me?  God answered, “Moses: I AM WHO I AM”.
Your god provided a meaningless answer which theists have used to shoehorn in their prefered answer.
(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: In other words, God is defined by his nature. God can’t do sin, accept sin, overlook sin.
Like you just did right there. You took the gibberish phrase and simply claimed to magically know what was meant on the basis of fuck all squared. Not to mention that your interpretation flies in the face of the canonically accepted interpretation. Not to mention that your god claims to be the source of evil in the very book you cite.

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The sin nature is universal in humanity.  All of us have a sinful nature affects every part of us. This is the doctrine of total depravity, and it is biblical.
We do? Got any evidence for that claim? Of course not.

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The remedy is to partake in the divine nature offered to everyone.
How come I can do perfectly well without it? How come I am not going out and raping and stealing and murdering willy nilly?

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: This new nature coexists with the old nature until physical death when the old nature becomes totally non-existent for those who accept the remedy*, those who don't will continue to have their one and only sinful nature eternally which is the referred to as the second death. 
Sorry, silly claims from your magic book do not cut the evidential mustard.

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: By partaking in the divine nature, one can have free will without the possibility of sin; the new creation will be sin-free.
Baloney. When you are dead, you are dead. There is not and has never been any evidence for any form of afterlife

(March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: *Everyone or anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord by embracing the life, death, and resurrection of Christ Jesus with confident trust and firm persuasion will receive salvation (new nature, partake in the divine nature).
Sure, divine blackmail and extortion, why not. Bribery even. Do you really think these are admirable traits in a deity?
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Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 4:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 16, 2019 at 4:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by no one - March 16, 2019 at 5:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Amarok - March 16, 2019 at 5:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 6:05 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 16, 2019 at 6:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:07 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fake Messiah - March 17, 2019 at 3:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 16, 2019 at 8:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 17, 2019 at 2:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 4:37 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 6:27 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 6:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 6:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Losty - March 16, 2019 at 7:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 16, 2019 at 7:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 16, 2019 at 7:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by arewethereyet - March 16, 2019 at 8:50 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - March 16, 2019 at 9:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Gwaithmir - March 16, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 16, 2019 at 8:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 12:25 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 5:37 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Deesse23 - March 17, 2019 at 5:43 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by downbeatplumb - March 17, 2019 at 6:12 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fireball - March 17, 2019 at 12:39 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 12:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 17, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:47 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by purplepurpose - March 17, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 2:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by chimp3 - March 17, 2019 at 2:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 17, 2019 at 10:17 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 18, 2019 at 7:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 19, 2019 at 4:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Fleeing Jesus - March 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 12:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 20, 2019 at 4:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 17, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2019 at 6:10 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 17, 2019 at 11:58 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 18, 2019 at 12:50 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 18, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 10:43 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 17, 2019 at 11:21 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 17, 2019 at 11:23 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 18, 2019 at 12:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Mister Agenda - March 18, 2019 at 9:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 18, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 18, 2019 at 1:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by EgoDeath - March 18, 2019 at 1:44 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by adey67 - March 18, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - March 19, 2019 at 7:57 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - March 19, 2019 at 11:27 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Brian37 - March 19, 2019 at 11:40 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 19, 2019 at 4:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 8:52 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 20, 2019 at 4:36 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 20, 2019 at 5:46 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 25, 2019 at 3:34 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 7:13 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 9:17 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - March 25, 2019 at 12:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 25, 2019 at 4:14 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Simon Moon - March 26, 2019 at 12:04 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:38 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Belacqua - April 1, 2019 at 6:49 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by brewer - March 25, 2019 at 12:33 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 26, 2019 at 11:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Nay_Sayer - March 27, 2019 at 12:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 12:24 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:56 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 25, 2019 at 12:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Cecelia - March 25, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 26, 2019 at 9:00 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:03 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 12:09 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 26, 2019 at 1:01 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 26, 2019 at 1:20 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 8:44 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - March 27, 2019 at 1:15 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 2:57 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 4:02 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 27, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 4:38 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 5:41 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 27, 2019 at 5:59 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 27, 2019 at 6:56 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 27, 2019 at 7:34 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - March 28, 2019 at 4:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - March 28, 2019 at 6:55 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 1, 2019 at 2:22 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by fredd bear - March 28, 2019 at 8:08 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 1, 2019 at 6:40 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 1:45 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Abaddon_ire - April 3, 2019 at 7:35 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Catharsis - April 3, 2019 at 10:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:04 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 9:06 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 3:22 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 4:13 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 5:06 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2019 at 5:12 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by tackattack - April 1, 2019 at 10:25 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SlowCalculations - June 4, 2019 at 7:32 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by Rahn127 - June 4, 2019 at 8:28 pm
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by snowtracks - June 18, 2019 at 3:36 am
RE: Help me not fear heaven/hell - by SenseMaker007 - June 18, 2019 at 5:08 am

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