RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 4, 2019 at 1:45 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2019 at 1:46 pm by Acrobat.)
(April 4, 2019 at 1:06 pm)Succubus Wrote:(April 4, 2019 at 12:16 pm)Acrobat Wrote: You ever argue with a fundie about the things that they don’t believe in? That’s sort of like what arguing with your typical atheist on the internet is like. Such atheists are not merely arguing against fundie arguments, but their atheism itself is formed in relationship to such arguments. Even worse, they don’t even seem to understand evangelicals all that much either. I doubt a single fundie evangelical would ever suggest, as I have for someone like Belaqua, that he seems to understand a great deal about things I believe. But rather that atheists primary rely on caricatures of theistic views.
My highlite. Acrobat, this look very much like Alvin Plantinga's argument that atheist lack an understanding of sophisticated theology.
Am I getting warm?
It's not even sophisticated theology, it's just basic orthodox theology, shared by mainline protestants, catholics, eastern orthodox, or that of much of historical theism. Much of it is even shared among fundie evangelicals as well. Fundie evangelicals don't necessary disagree with such views, they just often fail at articulating or defending them as properly.
Atheists can lack such knowledge, I mean to each is own. The end result is that atheists arguments against theism, can't be taken anymore seriously than fundie arguments against atheism. The line "who created god" might get applause from fellow atheists, just like "have you ever seen a monkey give birth to a human" might get applause from fellow creationist, but are just cringe, silly, and dismissible for everyone outside their respective choirs.
The other issue, the sort of atheism that develops as a counter argument to fundamentalism, never seems to mature or grow or develop. I've been on atheists forums for over decade, and there never seems to be any growth in thought, not just in regards to theism, but in regards to ones atheism itself. It's just breaks down to a repetition of thoughtless slogans.
Being among atheists for so long, rather than eroding my confidence in theism, has solidified it. But even I have to admit that confidence has been won on the cheap, because of all the poor arguments of the opposition.