(April 10, 2019 at 4:41 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(April 10, 2019 at 12:35 am)Losty Wrote: You don’t speak for me, though. You may very well be against abortion. I think contraception exists to prevent pregnancy. Do I think we should take every measure possible to prevent unplanned unwanted pregnancy? Of course I do. But it’s not because I’m anti-abortion. It’s because I’m pro-women. Do I think it’s better for women to prevent pregnancy than to abort? Yes. But no matter what we do, how much we educate, how safe we are there will always exist circumstances where unwanted or unsupportable pregnancies can and will happen. Always.
You may think me insane, but I am not against abortion. Abortion isn’t about what we’ve done to prevent a pregnancy. It’s about when there already is a pregnancy. It’s about what we do to prevent unwanted, unloved children. It’s about what we do to ensure the stability and security of the children we already have or will have one day. It’s about what we do to save our own lives so that our families will not have to lose a mother/daughter/sister/wife. It’s about what we do to protect or own bodies and minds because we have a right to value ourselves first.
Sure, but what do you think then when you see those self proclaimed "anti abortion" politicians like VP Mike Pence?
Like, few days ago Pence promoted on his VP twitter account that new movie by Pure Flix that is supposedly against the abortion with him proclaiming that he is in line with this movie and thus against abortion. But when you look at his policies it seems he is doing everything he can to force people to do abortions like not regulating rent prices which then skyrocket so many young people are forced to live with their parents, many roommates, in their car, homeless; not to mention stuff like student loan debt, weak medicare, against birth control, sex ed...
I mean when you look at these videos can you honestly say they are the result of people who are against the abortion? (they claim they are)
Again, is this the result of policies by politicians who are against the abortion? Shouldn't someone hold Pence to scrutiny when he says that he is against the abortion that he should be ashamed of himself for saying that?
Or maybe I am crazy and this has nothing to do with abortions? I mean trying to physically stop abortions, like some politician want to, is perhaps a very sick joke because it can't be forbidden, and if a woman who has to live in her childhood room impregnated by a guy who is smuggling cocaine so he can pay his student debt doesn't want to have the baby she is going to do it no matter if it's physically legal or not (throw herself down stairs, lift something heavy, drink something, go the the back alley), so the only way to stop them is to make a society baby/ human friendly.
And I'm just going to end this post with this strip
![[Image: abortion-comic-strip.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/C1R7td5x/abortion-comic-strip.jpg)
I think we’re mostly on the same page here and it seems like our disagreement is semantics.
It does seem to me that most “pro-life” people are not actually against abortion at all. It’s also true that most pro-choice people are not pro-abortion. I think the people who do the most for lowering abortion rates, are almost always the pro-choice people. And yes, it’s because this was never really about abortion. This was always about keeping the poor poor and putting women in their place, for the “pro-life” side.
Again, I’m all for sex-ed, safe and affordable birth control (for women and men), and all other true methods for preventing unwanted pregnancies. But it’s not because I’m against abortion, it’s because I’m for empowering women. All women should, regardless of their financial situation, be able to choose what they do with their own bodies. I’m talking about safe consensual sex here. No matter what we do, where we stand now with science and technology, there will always be a risk of pregnancy no matter what precautions you take. And when those pregnancies occur and are unwanted I am 100% for abortion. I think it’s morally wrong to bring a child into the world unwanted. Then there is the case of abortions that are necessary to save the mothers life. While it is always ok for a woman to choose to sacrifice her life, it is never ok for anyone to demand (or even request imo) that a woman value anyone’s life over her own.
