Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[Amarok]

Forcing a women to carry the fetus to term against her will is equivalent to rape in my opinion

Hmm. Well I'd say it's closer to kidnapping, since you'd more or less have to do that to ensure she does not have the opportunity to destroy the fetus. But rape and kidnapping are closely related, at least legally speaking, as they both can carry a life sentence (but that is rarely enforced) and they both have varying degrees, including the least malicious kind (statutory rape, where it is "consensual" sex with, say, a 17 year old, and a parent "kidnapping" his/her child when the child does not even know a kidnap is occurring and is not in fear for his/her safety).

and weather the fetus is human or not is aside the point as even if it were it has no right to inhabit another being against their will or use elements of their body against their will ,

Of course the fetus is a human.  What else would it be? A chipmunk?  I assume you meant to say "person."

And you're right. As it happens a fetus more or less has no rights at all.  But rights are a legal concept, and I'm talking about morality. I illustrated how the law has nothing to do with morality. I hope that is not a point in dispute because in my life I've found this to be painfully obvious.

And no we allow parenthood to be a choice if abortion were illegally pregnancy would not be a choice so that comparison will fail , And no the fetus is neither innocent or guilty I don't believe such terms can be used on a fetus .

Uh... ok...?

1. You clearly don't get it forcing a women to carry it to term is equivalent to rape because you are forcing her to use her body against her will and no it's nothing like a kidnapping .


2. My point was it doesn't matter either way and no I'm talking of moral rights not legal ones so I was on point 

3. Not sure what you don't get . We allow parenthood to be choice I was  using this a preempt against the whole "but parenthood is using here body often against her will " and the other argument was to counter the common retort " it's wrong to kill an innocent life "

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Or maybe you just don't like the brutally obvious and unavoidable fact that abortion is killing your baby and so you're lashing out

Nice argument from motivation

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@[url=https://atheistforums.org/user-8327.html]Divinity The stigma and majority issues aside, shouldn't people struggle with the decision? It would be those that don't struggle (fetus are like a wart) with the decision I would be concerned with.

Nope the idea is pretty clear cut

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I don't give half a shit about stigma. Meat and abortion are the same thing. It's the killing of a viable life form with a survival instinct and the capacity to suffer and feel pain so that others may benefit from it.

As opposed to letting another being use someone's body for their own benefit wither knowingly or not