Abortion: 10 years as an atheist and I still don't get it

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Don’t weasel out. You said that inflicting pain is immoral, therefore abortion is immoral. Since the pain argument fails, it cannot be claimed - on this ground - that abortion is an immoral act.

Weasel out of what? U said not all abortions are immoral, so some are, now ur changing it

An argument doesn't fail cos u provided examples where it does. If that were the case then the assertion that stabbing an innocent person is immoral also fails
All you've done is now declare that causing pain is never immoral, an obvious error

And your changing what u said just before, why? Cos im happy to accept your understanding
Anyway your contention obviously exceeded's your ability to understand an opposing view. Back to the cotton fields for me I guess...

No, what I said was that based on your 'pain' argument, not all abortions are immoral.  But since the argument is so deeply, desperately flawed, you have no grounds (on that basis) to conclude that ANY abortions are immoral.

Get a better argument.

U guys should go toe to toe. Brian u were so outraged at me adding the "after birth abortion" option. 

Well he supports it... Unleash the same indignant outrage on him then if your true to your word

lol, WHAT 'indignant outrage'?  Here's what I said about it:

‘After birth abortion’ comes from a philosophical paper published several years ago in which the authors argue that there is no qualitative difference between a foetus still in utero and a newborn up to a few days old. As far as I can tell, it isn’t practiced anywhere in the world and, if it were, would qualify as infanticide.

It’s a buzz word scare tactic, nothing more.

Boru

It was an argument made years ago and has been pretty roundly refuted on both philosophical and medical grounds.

If you have information that this sort of infanticide is being performed in the US, I’d be happy to look at it. It’s my understanding that the ‘born alive’ laws protect newborns after a failed abortion.

Sorry, why is this suddenly about how Barack Obama voted on a bill 17 years ago?

No, I'm not going to vote. 

You still don't seem to understand my comment about slavery, so I'll explain it.  Slavery is a way of negating human rights.  Indentured servitude is a way of partially negating human rights.  Abortion, for me, is primarily about a woman's right to bodily autonomy.  Any restrictions on abortion, such as the ones you proposed,  are a partial negation of that right.

1. I was wondering why you brought up Mr. Obama's position on the bill.  I'm sure plenty of other people voted against it. And apparently, you haven't looked into it deeply enough - it's been the law in the US since 2002. So the 'keep rejecting it' isn't true.

2.  No, it wasn't intended as a 'gotcha'.  Does Obama's stance on abortion affect yours (it certainly doesn't affect mine)?

3.  LOL, I'm not indignant about your poll. And I come across as entitled and privileged because I'm entitled and privileged.  Happy now?
4.  'Popular' and 'correct' aren't often the same thing.

5. *indulgent chuckle* No, you haven't offended me.  I was already familiar with the facts (which don't make me uncomfortable) and I've heard opinions identical to yours for years.

6.  You understand that slavery was an analogy, correct?

That's - literally - everything I addressed to you in that thread.  Where do you see ANYTHING that qualifies as indignation or outrage? Pointing out your mistakes and politely disagreeing with you makes me neither indignant nor outrageous.

Boru