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[Serious] Good vs Evil
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RE: Good vs Evil
(May 14, 2019 at 4:21 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: God will be the center of my post since he created everything.
So he created acts and made some be "good" and some be "evil".
In other words, if he wanted, he can make a third set of acts; or forth; depending on his will.
Are you sure that this accurately describes what you believe about the state of the moral field? 

Quote:They are not subject to our feelings; rather absolute.
They would be subject to"gods" feelings, which might make them divine, but wouldn't make them any less subjective or arbitrary. 

Quote:We are created and rigged to understand what evil is, and what good is.

The simplest example is poop. It smells bad, we hate it "naturally". Evil shit.
But flowers smell good, we love it naturally. Good stuff.

Other creatures have it differently, They love what we naturally hate

In a sense, I suppose, the idea that we're "created and rigged to understand" is available to pretty much anyone in one form or another - and it may be true...but what exactly are we created and rigged to understand?  

Your example above describes a natural realist foundation.  There's something about poop and flowers.  The smell.  If what we're "created and rigged to understand" is not something like the smell of an object, rather, what you asserted at the outset....the way some god wants us to smell it, or feel about that smell, or respond to that smell, then I don't think you're describing the thing you hope to communicate.  That, or your beliefs demand that you accept the theological antithesis of some moral position you privately hold.

Mind you, I don't want to bicker about whether or not that's the true state of the moral field.  Let's just assume that it is for convenience.  We're asserting that the true nature of morality is subjective, and referent to facts about the divine.   That those facts refer,themselves, to the arbitrarity of a divine will.
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Messages In This Thread
Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 4, 2019 at 6:53 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 4, 2019 at 7:12 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by energizer bunny - May 5, 2019 at 2:04 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 11:21 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by madog - May 6, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 2:36 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 6, 2019 at 2:49 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Anomalocaris - May 7, 2019 at 1:35 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 6, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 6, 2019 at 11:31 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 3:10 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 6, 2019 at 11:41 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 2:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 6, 2019 at 3:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 3:28 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 6, 2019 at 3:30 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 6, 2019 at 4:00 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 4:10 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 7, 2019 at 10:14 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Brian37 - May 10, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 3:56 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by paulpablo - May 12, 2019 at 7:42 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 6, 2019 at 4:05 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 11:44 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 7, 2019 at 1:12 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Rhizomorph13 - May 6, 2019 at 10:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 7, 2019 at 9:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 7, 2019 at 8:07 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Chad32 - May 7, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 9:40 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 1:37 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 8, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 9, 2019 at 9:13 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 9, 2019 at 10:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 9:37 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by vulcanlogician - May 10, 2019 at 2:18 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 7, 2019 at 12:59 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 7, 2019 at 3:09 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 8, 2019 at 10:36 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 8, 2019 at 12:55 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - May 9, 2019 at 8:59 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Foxaèr - May 7, 2019 at 1:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 7, 2019 at 6:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Amarok - May 7, 2019 at 6:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 8, 2019 at 6:34 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Losty - May 8, 2019 at 4:50 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Rhizomorph13 - May 8, 2019 at 12:28 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by AgnosAtheis - May 8, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 8, 2019 at 7:06 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Mister Agenda - May 10, 2019 at 10:42 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 11:19 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Alan V - May 10, 2019 at 4:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by tackattack - May 11, 2019 at 9:24 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 12, 2019 at 3:43 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 11, 2019 at 8:48 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2019 at 6:46 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 12, 2019 at 11:18 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Angrboda - May 12, 2019 at 8:39 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - June 3, 2019 at 1:33 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by WinterHold - May 14, 2019 at 4:21 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Smaug - May 14, 2019 at 7:09 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 7:29 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 8:32 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 10:50 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 1:42 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by onlinebiker - May 14, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - May 14, 2019 at 2:29 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by SlowCalculations - May 31, 2019 at 3:15 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by Acrobat - May 31, 2019 at 6:13 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - June 3, 2019 at 1:57 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Drich - June 10, 2019 at 9:59 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2019 at 11:11 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by SenseMaker007 - June 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Angrboda - June 21, 2019 at 4:03 pm
RE: Good vs Evil - by Lightbearer - March 8, 2021 at 4:16 am
RE: Good vs Evil - by The Valkyrie - March 8, 2021 at 4:33 am

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