Saturated Fat Controversy

[The Grand Nudger]

So, do you think that when I, as a relatively rich Croatian, buy myself MacBook Air, I am hurting the poor Americans who can't afford to buy it? I am giving money to the rich people in America then, and that money hopefully then trickles down to the poor Americans. And the same is true when you buy food from the poor country where there are many starving people.

Do you eat your Macbook?  Didn't that sound silly to you when it came out of your mouth?  Yes, though, those of us who are relatively well off and in the developed world are all complicit in global hunger.  That's part of what makes it a difficult problem.  It's not as if anyone is going to be able to convince us to stop eating, or buying food.

Well, if you don't have money to buy yourself food, chances are, you also can't afford to get a cow. And even if you do get a cow, that cow will, in all likelihood, get ill from poor nutrition. Do you think you'll be able to afford veterinary care for it?

That's precisely why programs like the one I'm part of exist.   To do practical research for alternative production methodologies and provide training, funding, and technical assistance to people who could use them to improve their circumstances. We don't actually have to go to the third world to find those people, though.  You can find them here in the US as well.  Conventional methods are low labor high cap investment, but that isn't a good fit for economically depressed areas anywhere.

Well, don't you think you may be doing it the wrong way? I mean, why do you trust those who tell you stuff that contradicts what you've been told in biology classes in high-school? That is, why do you trust those who tell you CO2 poisoning is painless and that beheading isn't painless?

No, I don't worry that the fish I've anesthetized feel pain.  Full disclosure, though....I'm not overly concerned about the pain fish feel.  I do it this way because commercial production has ethical standards, and because humane treatment has marketing value - but I've been catching and killing and cleaning fish my entire life. It cant be anything other than a painful, bloody, and protracted experience. You try to minimize it, with the right gear, and not horsing the fish around in the water..but it is what it is. By comparison, the dry ice bath is mercy.

It's easier, I think, not to concern yourself with things like that in a wild catch. When you're rearing fish in a tank, though, you get attached. Some of them end up with names, you spend alot of time with them. People forget that producers care for these animals. As Grandin put it, while there are cruel people who shouldn't be in this sort of industry, most people want to do it the right way and know the right way when they see it. It would be very strange to meet a producer who didn't get riled up if someone was fucking around with their livestock. If you so much as kicked somebody's animals, out here, you might get fuckin shot.

What would your grandfather have done if he caught you hurting his chickens? Mine would have beaten the living shit out of me, and the harm to his opinion of me would have lasted longer than any bruise, lol. Did it ever occur to you then, or now, that he was some sort of slaver? Honestly, I'm a little bit incredulous when it comes to some of these questions and opinions you have. You should already know better, without needing anyone else to provide you with any information on the subject.