RE: Saturated Fat Controversy
November 8, 2019 at 8:36 am
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2019 at 8:37 am by The Grand Nudger.)
A poor implementation of an effective form of anesthesia isn't going to produce the intended effects. This is going to be the case regardless of the method we use.
No animal feels pain "the way we do", as far as we can tell. Not fish, but not pigs or cattle either. Nevertheless, all three feel pain.The goal of humane slaughter is to minimize or eliminate what pain they feel, not what pain you or I might. That said, you're still barking up the wrong tree with all of these irrelevant sidelines. I'm not exactly a bleeding heart, not with livestock or with people.
That's the idea - that if we're going to kill them, we don't have to be assholes about it. This is more done for our benefit than theirs, in truth. They're going to die no matter how sweetly we plunge the knife. We may want to soften their end, but we're the ones who make that decision from start to finish and, if they could speak..they'd probably tell us they'd rather be alive than die a gentler death.
Here's the thing, though..as interesting as this conversation may be, as before, I'm not handing out any moral condemnation. I'm explaining why, and how, the two arguments you gave for veganism fail. It wouldn't help a single iota to address hunger in the world, and it doesn't have to be cruel. I'm sure that there are great arguments for veganism, that many people would find compelling. Neither of those is one. Whatever your position on livestock production may be, do you understand that much, now?
No animal feels pain "the way we do", as far as we can tell. Not fish, but not pigs or cattle either. Nevertheless, all three feel pain.The goal of humane slaughter is to minimize or eliminate what pain they feel, not what pain you or I might. That said, you're still barking up the wrong tree with all of these irrelevant sidelines. I'm not exactly a bleeding heart, not with livestock or with people.
That's the idea - that if we're going to kill them, we don't have to be assholes about it. This is more done for our benefit than theirs, in truth. They're going to die no matter how sweetly we plunge the knife. We may want to soften their end, but we're the ones who make that decision from start to finish and, if they could speak..they'd probably tell us they'd rather be alive than die a gentler death.
Here's the thing, though..as interesting as this conversation may be, as before, I'm not handing out any moral condemnation. I'm explaining why, and how, the two arguments you gave for veganism fail. It wouldn't help a single iota to address hunger in the world, and it doesn't have to be cruel. I'm sure that there are great arguments for veganism, that many people would find compelling. Neither of those is one. Whatever your position on livestock production may be, do you understand that much, now?
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