RE: 10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence
January 6, 2020 at 8:22 pm
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2020 at 8:23 pm by Magilla.
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(January 6, 2020 at 7:00 pm)Otangelo Wrote: . . .
Now let's suppose there was a multiverse generator. He would have had to make up to 10^123 attempts to get one universe with the right expansion rate. He would have made 10^18 attempts after 30 billion years.
Once he had that right, to get a universe with atoms, he would have to make the following number of trials:
the right Ratio of Electrons: Protons 1:10^37
Ratio of Electromagnetic Force: Gravity 1:10^40
If a multiverse generator existed, he must have been VERY busy in the last trillion trillion trillion years to get out only our universe......
does that make sense?
No, Otangelo, one attempt would do. To get our actual universe in one iteration, may be unlikely in probability theory, but if the probability is more than zero, then one attempt could do it. Furthermore, if it took many, many, many, more attempts, then many, many other life forms could arise and evolve in those other universes. And as the number of universes approach infinity, then the probability that at least one universe would be exactly like ours grows more likely with that number.
The universe generator would of course not be a thinking active being, but simply whatever is natural, doing its thing. All this is not to say that we are in a universe among many, but some cosmologists take the idea seriously enough to work on its theory and implications. Good luck to them.
In any case, we need not view the universe as fine tuned for life, simply that life, as we know it, was able to arise in the universe as we know it. Just view it the other way around . . . life suits this universe, not the universe is especially made for life as we know it. So life as we know it, is one variant of perhaps a number of possible life kinds that could arise in this universe. It could just be that extant life may have outdone all other possibilities early in earth's history, and those other avenues to life have been lost, both in actuality, and in our ability to now detect them, as they never got a 'foothold' among the life we have.
Besides, most of the universe would seem to be extremely hostile for life, in which case a whole universe is very much overkill. Of course if you think goddidit, then anything goes, (ie. as it applies in this particular discussion). Anything goes, explains nothing. [Note: Anything goes = absolutely anything logical, is possible]. However, not everything logical is necessarily true.
Magilla.
P.S. The probability of life in our universe is >0, because it exists.
There are no atheists in terrorist training camps.