(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote:Which will necessarily mean that your quixotic version is hosed.(March 28, 2020 at 7:20 am)Belacqua Wrote: That seems perfectly clear.In my opinion, having fair and democratic elections to decide what the majority of Muslims think about the meanings of the Quran is the "only way" to stop any civil war between sects and allow for the opinion of the majority to rule the Umma.
You're a dreamer, of course. It's not likely to happen any time soon. But I don't see how dreaming of free and fair elections among Muslims, in order to establish a peaceful government, could be opposed by any reasonable person.
The US doesn't have free and fair elections any more, so it's an ideal we can all share.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: That way, you won't have a rouge group going alone -like ISIS- to establish a caliphate of its own; automatically it will be a mere outlaw gang.Rouge is make-up used to rosy up the cheeks, typically. In any event, were there a democratic vote of Muslims, then YOU would be an outlaw. So you don't really want that. What you really want is that YOUR version will triumph.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: But this opinion is kept getting demolished by the imperial powers that take advantage of Muslim division: they -the imperials- never want us Muslims united because that would signal the doom of their easy-to-get natural resources that come from Muslim dominated areas.Comprehensively wrong. Fuel prices have tumbled exactly because SA has control of their own oil supply and have intentionally upped production to kill the so-called imperialist supply sources.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Why do Americans have the right to have elections, but we Muslims don't?Ask Muslim governments. The US chose a representative government with regular elections. The Muslim countries chose otherwise.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: And instead on focusing on this line of thought; ISIS-like thought is the one advocated?ISIS-like thought is definitionally Muslim thought.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Not just violence, but historical hypocrisy too, as if he didn't see the terrible torture machines European imperials made, or their emptying of whole two continents from their native people, or their early use of biologic attacks, or the dropping of America for the first ever atomic bomb to explode on the heads of children and civilians, or, or, or.Oh and islam has never engaged in torture?
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: This member is a waste of time, so I don't recommend spending time debating his hypocrisy.We are debating yours.
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Yes, America caused hell in the regions it intervened in.Yup and that is wrong. And?
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: About these people demonizing Muslims and other groups online, in Saudi Arabia it is well known that twitter has bots and a whole army of users working for certain governments to spread a certain idea online.And as usual, SA is behind the knowledge curve. Why is SA behind the curve?
(March 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The goal is manipulating public opinion.Snigger. That is impossibly naive.