RE: Atheist VS Naturalist - the latter sounds more appealing to me...
May 28, 2020 at 3:57 pm
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm by possibletarian.)
(May 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(May 28, 2020 at 1:42 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: By what method could we do this? How could you rule out a cause you haven’t learned about yet?
Granted, I think that the people opposing me on this thread don't agree that the statement "all questions are answerable by science" can be falsified.
They assume a priori that the only things there are in the world are things that science can analyze. As we've seen, they deny outright the existence of anything else. For them, "it can be analyzed by science" is the equivalent of "it exists."
It's a version of Berkeley, I guess. Esse est percipi gets a little update.
To them, their statement is not falsifiable. Therefore it's not science.
But I've already addressed this. To say that by definition everything has a natural explanation, even if we don't know what the explanation will be or could be, is just begging the question. It's assuming something that can't be proved.
I'm fine with it, as I say. It may well be true that there is nothing supernatural. Given my own limited experience, I suspect there's no such thing as the supernatural. (Even God, if it existed, would be natural, in the sense that it is and acts only according to its nature.) But as I say the universe is big and science is set up to find certain things and not others. If supernatural stuff were happening all around us, many people would deny it, given their metaphysical commitment against it. My interlocutors on this thread prove that. So the degree to which people are adamant about the non-existence of the supernatural, and offended that someone else might say "maybe," they are committed to an unprovable belief, and lack skepticism.
(It's funny how the word "skepticism" has changed. It used to mean doubtful and demanding more proof. Now it seems to mean "completely certain about the non-existence of certain things.")
What's with the persecution complex? People are simply asking you reasons why you would consider a non~natural explanation to anything you experience or observe.
If you say it's just what you believe, then fine you are welcome to that belief, but to suggest others are closed minded for not considering an invisible, unobservable, untestable, non~material world then it requires some further explanation.
All you seem to be doing is telling everyone they are closed minded, and when they ask you to educate about how you reasoned your way to consider the non~natural as a possibility we don't get any reasonable answers.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'