(May 17, 2020 at 3:21 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(May 17, 2020 at 2:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In the first prophecy you tried to shoehorn into accuracy, you claimed that Muhammad had to use language his followers understood.
And the language he used is quite accurate. For the gazillionth time, it's the translation that lacks accuracy, in this case, we should look at all the variants of the hadiths to get the whole meaning.
(May 17, 2020 at 2:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In the second, you insist that ONLY the modern, specific definition of plague is applicable (you did this when you dismissed the cholera epidemic).
This "only specific definition" is the most widely accepted definition of the disease, which happens to be the most widespread, deadliest pandemic in human history. And Muhammad predicted that THE disease responsible for the deadliest pandemics won't touch Medina, and he was right. Not an easy one after all.. huh?
Defining plague as any disease who spreads fast is really loose, and when we know that its specfic meaning was described before Muhammad was even born, we can rest assured that that it's what he meant.
Once again. YOU do not get to retrofit definitions or science and reach back in time and claim anyone in antiquity had any modern understanding. It doesn't work when you do it, or when a Christian does it, or when a Jew does it, or when a Hindu or Buddhist do it. AND TRUST ME, I've been online debating religion for almost 20 years and have debated the fallacy of mixing science and religion with every major religion's followers and they all pull this bad logic.
NOBODY IN THE WORLD back then had any clue as to what DNA/RNA are. NOBODY back then anywhere in the world of any religion had any clue.
Just like the word "atom" coined by the ancient Greeks only meant back then, "The smallest thing one could imagine". Saying "Earth stuff, water stuff, fire stuff, air stuff" is what they meant by "atom" back then. That DOES NOT the same language scientists use today when scientists say "atom". Today's scientific meaning means, "Electron, Proton, Neutron". Otherwise if we go by your bad logic, the Greek polytheistic gods are real because they were the first to use the word "atom".