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One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 10:59 am
I've done research and maybe wrong, but no wisdom leaders or religion appointed guides, emphasized, so much regarding justice and oppression, the responsibility of everyone to participate in doing their part for justice and eradicating oppression.
From Imam Jewad (as) for example, he says "Three are partners, the oppressor, the helper of the oppressor, and the one who watches."
Similarly,the Prophet Jesus (as) is equated in saying the same thing in a long sermon, in Shiite hadiths, but I can't find in the Gospels today.
Imam Ali (as) is quoted to say something on similar grounds and proves from an anecdote in Quran.
Imam Hussain (as) is reported to say it's not permissible to see God being disobeyed and just watching.
Imam Baqir (as) says the people's enemies only ruled them when they accepted their rule.
Their always be dickheads who will oppress. The problem is the supposed good "citizens" do nothing about it. They let oppressors rule.
This apathy, is due to people thinking they are not equal partners in that crime.
Ahlulbayt (as) teach Quran teaches otherwise. It's a daunting responsibility, but it's one that is not only necessary for justice, it's necessary for individual's dignity and honor to not be apathetic towards justice.
This central issue is probably the biggest difference between Sunni hadiths and Shiite hadiths.
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:00 am
If you say so . . .
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:01 am
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(April 23, 2018 at 10:59 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I've done research and maybe wrong, but no wisdom leaders or religion appointed guides, emphasized, so much regarding justice and oppression, the responsibility of everyone to participate in doing their part for justice and eradicating oppression. That sounds like a problem in your own peer-group. There are so many people making that same point so strongly here, that some people think it's become a problem in and of itself.
I;m not sure what the members of a warlord's slaving household have to teach us about social justice...except acting as a worst case example.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:06 am
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You aren't going to convince people of the responsibility by just talking about it. They will say these are just activists and idealists. But you put God and his appointed guides telling you, that you are a partner in crime if you just watch by and don't do anything about it, then inshallah, people will start to get moving.
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:08 am
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(April 23, 2018 at 11:06 am)MysticKnight Wrote: You aren't going to convince people of the responsibility by just talking about it. They will say these are just activists and idealists. But you put God and his appointed guides telling you, that you are a partner in crime if you just watch by and don't do anything about it, then inshallah, people will start to get moving.
Your silly god isn't a credible authority on social justice..no more so than your prophet, his silly family, or your silly prince.
When's the last time..if you had to guess, that I did something, because someone said fairies said I had to or should? Morwe hilariously, what's the fairy score on motivating it's own people, who are stupid enough to do whatever people say fairies said? Aren't the demons and the dark forces really throwing a wrench in that?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:10 am
Struck a nerve, Khemikal?
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:12 am
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Yeah, the one that starts making noise when nutters incessantly litter the boards with deeply ignorant superstitions about serious and important issues.
Tell me, how does a person who thinks it's an important issue approach that issue so flippantly? I don;t think you actually give a shit about social justice. You're certainly not beyond engaging in slavery apologism. I think you're searching for some use for your silly god..and you're running out of ideas as quickly as you propose them to these boards...just as you'e running out of witty rejouinders to the destruction of these ignorant and harmful superstitions...and find yourself repeating some silly "struck a nerve" bullshit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:16 am
Glad I know what you think of me. I volunteered for a year for ACORN by the way.
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:18 am
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Virtue signal to someone else. Volunteering for acorn doesn't alter the nature of your comments on the subject of social justice in this thread or any other. The disturbing irony, is that in a thread you started about social justice...you propose submission to a divine king and a celestial mandate as a way to achieve this.
Religion poisons everything.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: One reason among many, the world needs Ahlulbayt (as).
April 23, 2018 at 11:19 am
You said I don't care about justice, but I volunteered for ACORN for a year. Maybe you should question your intentions to character assassinate me?
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