(July 26, 2020 at 2:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(July 26, 2020 at 2:38 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.
If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.
These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.
Regards
DL
Your argument, and that of many Christians, presumes that Jesus was innocent (or sinless). A cursory reading of the NT shows that this isn’t the case.
One could argue that Jesus more or less sacrificed himself as opposed to being used as a scapegoat. Since he was willing to die, the case that he was ‘punished’ is rather weak. If a father sacrifices himself to save his childrens’ lives, no one would describe it as a punishment.
*removes his Devil’s Advocate hat*
Boru
I do not assume or see Jesus as sinless.
I agree that he sacrificed himself in this myth. I call it suicide.
He is show as wanting to test the messianic myth and failing it as he did not return in those days to rule over and save the Jews from Rome.
I agree that fathers should sacrifice themselves for their children should the need arise.
Note how that prick Yahweh did the opposite.
Regards
DL