(July 27, 2020 at 8:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(July 26, 2020 at 2:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In the broadest sense, he was (at least as depicted in the narrative). All Jewish men are rabbis.
Boru
He certainly isn't depicted as a rabbi in magic book.
He's depicted as a demi-god set in opposition to nascent rabbinical tradition, that had become corrupt and stagnant - much like the world, providing the narrative and theological necessity of a new revelation, a new religion.
Similarly, we've got Greatest I am re-imagining what some other non existent jesus would say about vicarious redemption - which is absurd. The character in magic book establishes vicarious redemption as the new divine order, and does not, nor would that character ever, argue against it's purpose for being.
We can imagine, if we like, that there was some historic jesus that was a rabbi and never would have said [insert whatever we like here] - but that is not the character in magic book. If we want to discuss the character in magic book, at some point, we'll have to let it be what it is, rather than what we wish it were, or some Better version of it by the standards of ethical concerns or modern historic revisionism. Jesus was not a rabbi, and the idea of dumping our bad juju on some other is well represented in the abrahamic tradition. The ritual expatiation of cosmic debt in transactional faith is a known known. We may disagree with it on theological or ethical grounds, but the authors of new magic book definitely thought it was great.
If we can't imagine a rabbi telling that to people, and we think we're teasing out details of the historic jesus in this, then what does that tell us about the guy? I Am would like to insist that the christians got jesus wrong, but that's not what follows. It's a self serving reaffirmation of his own faith. No amount of quoting old magic book can help us with that. The people who wrote new magic book had their own religion, and, frankly, didn't know much about old magic book at all - nor would they have cared.
I said ‘in the broadest sense’. ‘Rabbi’ roughly means ‘teacher’. Jewish tradition holds that
ALL men have something to teach, which is why many Jewish males refer to each other as ‘Reb So-and-so’ (‘rebbe’ being the Yiddish version of ‘rabbi’).
I’ll agree, though, that he was an unconventional rabbi, and what you say about his being in opposition to rabbinical tradition is correct.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson