RE: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
August 13, 2020 at 7:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2020 at 7:02 am by GrandizerII.)
(August 13, 2020 at 5:11 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(August 12, 2020 at 11:39 pm)Grandizer Wrote: By stating specifically that there were prior examples of figures who died for other people and then were resurrected. I just wonder where are these examples? Or rather what primary sources reveal those to be the case.That's cool, but...as above, the observation that sacrificial gods are a thing is not the claim that christians copied those gods. They never would have known about the sacrificial pantheons of mesoamerica. Couldn't possibly have copied them, nor could the mesoamericans have known about christ and copied those beliefs.
I agree nothing is truly unique about Christianity. Views evolve over time, yes, so one could argue that the resurrection of Jesus was derived from certain prior beliefs or whatever, but it doesn't mean they were based on some prior identical accounts of resurrections or that such prior accounts exist.
Multiple instances of parallel construction. Like a bow. Like fire. Like boats. Like agriculture. Like a fishing hook. This isn't evolution over time, it's not evolution at all.
This is a generous appraisal, as we know for fact that christian authors were borrowers - but there's nothing wrong with that. OFC they were going to borrow stories and twists and phrases they found engaging. They borrowed the jewish god right from the outset, lol. Is there a hellenic influence in the character of christ, for example? OFC there is, but there was always going to be one, because hellenists came up with that particular instance of a sacrificial god. If some other current was dominant it would show those influences, and in fact does, in the argument within the NT as to who and what jesus is.
Sacrifices for sin is in the OT itself. It's not just Hellenism (well, it's debatable in the case of the Greeks if sacrifices were done in relation to sin as the Jews understood it, but regardless). The thing with Christianity is that there are a few twists, such that God himself sent his own Son to be sacrificed for sin (as per the Gospel of John, for example). Prior to that, it was [generally] humans and animals being sacrificed.
Now why these beliefs specifically is of course to do with historical contingencies, not because of some divine revelation that actually occurred. Perhaps it was a major disappointment that the Messiah would just simply die without ushering in the awaited kingdom, and hence why the idea of the salvific death and resurrection gradually emerged, with maybe some influence from Hellenistic thinking. But the idea of God's Son dying for the world is basically a Christian idea, even if it had influences from prior systems of beliefs.