RE: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
August 23, 2020 at 12:00 pm
(August 20, 2020 at 2:21 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:Vicki Q Wrote:They are very good evidence of the wish to tie Jesus into the OT meta-narrative.Wow, two conflicting genealogies about the same guy are a "good evidence".
Two conflicting genealogies are indeed very good evidence for the wish to tie Jesus into the OT meta-narrative, with the fact they are apparently conflicting bizarrely being even stronger evidence for the wish because of textual independence. Each author has tried to make the tie-up independently.
Those who wish to argue for compatibility of the lists have a number of standard available routes- 1) one list is Joseph, one list is Mary 2) Matthew is doing the legal list, Luke the biological 3) There is a choice of routes and Matthew is going via sons of David who actually reigned while Luke is pointedly avoiding them 4) We don't know and can't find out but there's a really good reason.
Since I'm not a fundy, my view is 'whatever'.
Quote:Oh so that was proper, unlike those pagan baptisms which were improper.
I was trying to avoid a potentially lengthy diversion into C1 Jewish water rituals. John' baptism was a one time eschatological baptism which would have served as the template for Christian baptism, although contemporary Jewish water rituals also existed (e.g. proselyte conversion rituals). My point being that Paul had no need to steal baptism from paganism and introduce it to Judeo-Christianity from the outside, because it was already in Judaism, especially through John the Baptist.
Quote:BTW it's not Josephus but Iōánnēs, you know very similar to Oannes the dipper whose priests were baptizing people.
No it's Josephus, the writer of Antiquities, who wrote about JtB in it.
Quote:Sure, Jan.??? meaning?
So as I see it, we still very much have Paul, who was fanatically devoted to the Jewish story as Saul, and remained so when he came to understand that the astonishing events around Jesus were the climax of that story.