RE: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
September 9, 2020 at 10:47 am
(July 26, 2020 at 2:38 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.
If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.
These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.
Regards
DL
what is so hard about putting things in context? read the whole chapter as all of it frames out a very specific use of the law. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=NIV ezk is speaking about living with the law of the ot jews. the jews had a tradition that said if a poor man commited a sin/crime that cost a rich family everything, the poor man was to give his life over and if there was still debt owed the sons would also be responsible.. in chapter 18 ezk is saying each man is responsible for his own sin. living and dying here is not of the soul but in this life. remember some sin required the death of the sinner or an atoning sacrifice/blood or burnt offering. deu say basically the same thing. each man is responsible for their own sin/recogning
In christianity all sinners die physically to because that is the wage or what is owed for their sin. however there will be a resurrection and judgement for the soul, which ezk the psalm or deu have anything to say about.
The atonement sacrifice is also apart of the ot law. this is how a man redeemed himself in the OT by killing a sheep bird ect.. in NT christianity Jesus becomes that sacrifice.
like it or not two different religions. same frame work completely different rule set.
