RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 20, 2020 at 1:16 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2020 at 1:26 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 20, 2020 at 11:11 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: That's an inaccurate representation as well. Recall that the Cross was sufficient to save everyone; and indeed everyone's debts have already been paid. God doesn't "not save" us; salvation has to be denied by a person to not be saved. That's more or less the general theme:
"Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief" -1 Timothy 1:15
I'm not bickering with you about christ saving the world, or whether it was sufficient, or whether debts are already covered, or whether people believe this. Accept that it's possible for another person to accurately represent christian belief and object to it because of this accurate representation.
I notice, for example and again - that you chose to share some snippet from your cult tradition. This snippet and this cult tacitly accept that christ is savior, and was sufficient, and that debts have been paid. Clearly you believe that people can accurately represent a christian belief and object - if you think that snippet has any value or meaning.
I notice, for example and again, that you are negotiating over what means, exactly, justifies the end - in concert with your notions of an acceptable god. You do not accept the god of those beliefs, because you do not believe that a god like your god would or could torture...or destroy. You still believe that it is within the power of this god to save, and you still believe that in at least some cases where it's within it's power to save, it doesn't. This is your god, this is what you believe in, this is an accurate representation of your beliefs - and this is what I object to, as you feel empowered to object to the beliefs of other christians.
That out of the way, can you explain to me how an objection to a god (or anyone) doing a bad thing can be resolved by proposing that a god (or anyone) does a different bad thing? If the only resolution that you can muster is the dogged insistence that the objection must be factually wrong...that's damning for your cult. That would suggest that if this objection got it right (as you believe that you can get it right to the exclusion of those other christian cults you would object to) - then your own cult would be fucked up by your own standards.
Some christians believe that god tortures, some that god disposes, and you believe that god fails to help. Take your time.
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