RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 20, 2020 at 1:45 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2020 at 2:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I have, you're just such a christian. You object to god doing a bad thing™ - torture and/or disposal...and insist that god, instead, did some other bad thing™ - failing to help. I want to put a pin in this here - because your response clearly indicates that you believe failing to help to be a bad thing,...that god isn't doing, that you don't believe, that your cult doesn't teach. My objection is wrong, you contend, because it's factually inaccurate - not because it's morally inaccurate. We agree on the badness™ of the latter. You and your own cult object to immoral propositions attributed to your god. God doesn't torture people, because that would be bad. God doesn't annihilate people, because that would be bad. You and your cult accept that it's possible to accurately describe the beliefs of another and object.
I suggest, in the same vein, that god doesn't fail to help people....because that would be bad. If this objection were factually accurate, the moral aspect is already settled. If it is factually true of your own beliefs that god could help a person, but doesn't, we're done. At least with respect to understanding why a good person could not be a christian.
Let's explore this idea that you don't believe exactly what I described. Do you believe that god has the power to save? Do you believe that everyone is saved?
Take your time - and save your time explaining why god does this...for [insert god reason here] - because that's agreement with the factual content. That would be conceding that, yes...god does do this bad thing™....but he does it for reasons....
I know all about doing bad things for reasons, I'm a human being, it's a master class on the subject.
I suggest, in the same vein, that god doesn't fail to help people....because that would be bad. If this objection were factually accurate, the moral aspect is already settled. If it is factually true of your own beliefs that god could help a person, but doesn't, we're done. At least with respect to understanding why a good person could not be a christian.
Let's explore this idea that you don't believe exactly what I described. Do you believe that god has the power to save? Do you believe that everyone is saved?
Take your time - and save your time explaining why god does this...for [insert god reason here] - because that's agreement with the factual content. That would be conceding that, yes...god does do this bad thing™....but he does it for reasons....
I know all about doing bad things for reasons, I'm a human being, it's a master class on the subject.
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