RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 21, 2020 at 4:15 pm
(This post was last modified: August 21, 2020 at 4:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Not to me, it isn't. It's obviously a significant badness if it literaly prevents me from being christian even if I assume that the christian god is real and does exactly what you say it does.
This, John, is my point.
It's not for getting your superstitions wrong that I reject them. I reject your faith assuming that -you- got it right. You understand this perfectly well when your own cult rejects some other cults superstitions for the exact reason that I reject yours. You could easily afford me the same, and will have no explanation for denying me that. That's a door you opened, and can't slam in my face for convenience sake.
You don't have to agree with me, or be stuck in the same position as I am, incapable of signing off on christ. I just want you to understand and accept that a person who objects to your religion can do so without getting your religion wrong. We look at the same item, an item that you proposed - and I have one moral assessment of it..you, another (or none, essentially, lol). I call that christian moral degeneracy. You call it faith. I see a significant badness, and, like the author of your snippet...rejecting that badness and god-ness are congruent, decide that god either does not do what you say it does..or, that if it does...as you say it does, I'm uninterested in being a party to it.
The people who believe in torture and god-annihilation, beliefs you reject, don't find them any more objectionable than you find a failure to help. You could understand my position with respect to you beliefs, by understanding your own position with respect to theirs.
This, John, is my point.
It's not for getting your superstitions wrong that I reject them. I reject your faith assuming that -you- got it right. You understand this perfectly well when your own cult rejects some other cults superstitions for the exact reason that I reject yours. You could easily afford me the same, and will have no explanation for denying me that. That's a door you opened, and can't slam in my face for convenience sake.
You don't have to agree with me, or be stuck in the same position as I am, incapable of signing off on christ. I just want you to understand and accept that a person who objects to your religion can do so without getting your religion wrong. We look at the same item, an item that you proposed - and I have one moral assessment of it..you, another (or none, essentially, lol). I call that christian moral degeneracy. You call it faith. I see a significant badness, and, like the author of your snippet...rejecting that badness and god-ness are congruent, decide that god either does not do what you say it does..or, that if it does...as you say it does, I'm uninterested in being a party to it.
The people who believe in torture and god-annihilation, beliefs you reject, don't find them any more objectionable than you find a failure to help. You could understand my position with respect to you beliefs, by understanding your own position with respect to theirs.
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