RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 8, 2020 at 7:12 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2020 at 7:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 8, 2020 at 7:04 pm)runewell Wrote:All kinds of gods, but I understand that the question was rhetorical. I don't personally believe that a god or human beings get to determine right or wrong. That would make the terms fundamentally arbitrary.(October 8, 2020 at 5:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: No standard would be a low standard.
Are you sure that this vision of god is the one you want to impart? A god that can't be forced to act in a moral fashion making morality moot? Is that also how you view morality in the human context? That, because some people will do bad things and no one can do anything about it, then they are not responsible for those things they've done?
What kind of God could be forced to act according to someone else's moral code? Wouldn't be much of a God. A God would ultimately get to determine right or wrong, not us.
Do you believe that? Do you believe that if god declared rape to be good, that rape would be good?
Quote:The human context is different - we don't have any power to inflict our personal morality on anyone else (I suppose you could while you are a parent, for a limited time). We follow our own established laws or risk punishment - a collective morality if you will. There are consequences for murder. Man vs God is different from Man vs Man.
Some people will do "bad" things, and no one can do anything about it, but ultimately God will carry out justice on that person - but it doesn't happen swiftly.
Why should there be consequences for murder if we cannot maintain that moral agents are responsible for the consequences of their actions? On what theory does god carry out justice? God does what god wants, justice is just some word that we use for things that we can't force god to do, as I recall.
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