RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
December 15, 2020 at 11:39 am
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2020 at 11:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If god and souls existed, you'd be wrong about that, but it's not really relevant to whether or not we're consistently employing this proposition.
Starving a person and killing their kid either does or does not improve someone. The forge idea explicitly depends on the suggestion that it does. Anyone who proposes it must be ready to stare at me killing my neighbor and skullfucking his children..and then insist that someone has been improved by this, or that in some sense someone is improved by living in a world where this can happen. That's just the ground floor. There's no point in going forward to see whether this were justifiable, and whether - if it were - the primary agents require or posses such a justification... unless we have a commitment here, because..without a commitment here, we don't have a soul forge, or any forge, to begin with.
-and to address another poster, there's nothing mysterious about the soul forge. Earthquakes and volcanoes and floods and disease and rape and pillage make us better people, or they don't. I don't think we need to grasp at the unknown to answer that, and fwiw I'm at least sympathetic to the idea.
Starving a person and killing their kid either does or does not improve someone. The forge idea explicitly depends on the suggestion that it does. Anyone who proposes it must be ready to stare at me killing my neighbor and skullfucking his children..and then insist that someone has been improved by this, or that in some sense someone is improved by living in a world where this can happen. That's just the ground floor. There's no point in going forward to see whether this were justifiable, and whether - if it were - the primary agents require or posses such a justification... unless we have a commitment here, because..without a commitment here, we don't have a soul forge, or any forge, to begin with.
-and to address another poster, there's nothing mysterious about the soul forge. Earthquakes and volcanoes and floods and disease and rape and pillage make us better people, or they don't. I don't think we need to grasp at the unknown to answer that, and fwiw I'm at least sympathetic to the idea.
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