RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
December 17, 2020 at 11:20 pm
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2020 at 11:34 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 17, 2020 at 4:24 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: No, you cannot. If you could, you would've given some deductive argument doing so.So tedious. OFC I can, but it seems a bit pointless to argue as much with a person who thinks that we can't rule demons out as the cause of earthqaukes. Obviously, if we handled the subject of knowledge in anything even approaching a similar way..you wouldn't wonder how a routine dismissal like that happens.
Quote:Yes, I am appealing to disagreement. Because there is disagreement over the definitions of good and evil. There cannot be an objective list of good/bad moral deeds in the absence of an absolute moral authority. I think you already conceaded this point, the latter has to be there, we just disagree on what it is.Moral absolutism and moral objectivism aren't the same thing..but why would I expect the guy who can't rule out earthqauke demons to know that, either?
Quote:I know, you are a moral realist. And I already showed you the flaw of your position: you are simply begging the question of right and wrong. Something is considered right, according to moral realism, if it is .... right.If you think that moral realism is wrong, that's fine. You don't have any kind of moral authority, let alone an absolute moral authority, nor does your god, if moral realism is false. Here again, I;d suggest that you have a you problem. I'm doing fine.
At any rate, lets put down identifying a logical fallacy as another thing you suck at. All moral positions are positions on right and wrong. To say that a moral position calls something right, or something wrong, is merely restating that it is a moral position, not begging the question. On that count, the experience of moral content is a brute fact. All positions on morality attempt to account for that fact - even those that deny the reality of moral intuition. Meanwhile, in actual moral realism, a moral statement (good or bad) is considered to be true insomuch as the statement purports to report facts, and gets those facts right. False if it purports to report facts, and does not, or gets those facts wrong.
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