(October 14, 2020 at 2:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(October 14, 2020 at 1:16 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I am not sure where you're driving at, exactly. What do you think is unverifiable with regards to the prophet..? His existence or his prophethood ?
If you're talking about the former, you need some sort of mental rehabilitation, seriously. Muhammad conducted dozens of military campaigns, doubting the man's existence is just not sensible. If you mean the latter, I am presenting to you a logical proof, which you failed to follow. Someone claiming God or angels speak to him is either one of three:
1- Sincere and reporting the truth. (A prophet)
2- Sincere but sadly deluded/wrong, stays deluded/wrong for 23 years.
3- Lies knowingly for 23 years.
If we exclude 2 and 3, you are forced to acknowledge the truth of his claim.
I’m not convinced that we can so easily discount options 2 and 3 (and shame on you for co-opting it from C.S. Lewis).
Why couldn’t Muhammad have been a liar or a lunatic? Joseph Smith was a liar, William Miller was a lunatic - there is plenty of precedent for religious figures being either confidence tricksters or madmen.
Boru
Right, or even simply misquoted? Guy could have been honest as they day is long, but all we know of what he said is what other people wrote down. It's not like there's an original Qur'an to compare the copies we have to. It's easy to put any words you want into someone's mouth after they're dead.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.