(December 28, 2020 at 11:44 am)Klorophyll Wrote:Those are not the only options, and furthermore, there is no reason that the universe is not infinite.(December 18, 2020 at 3:10 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: At this point (probably should have asked this earlier in the thread), I think what we need from you, is how you go about detecting when something is designed, and when it isn't.
Please list the method(s) and steps you use to determine a designed thing from a non designed thing.
There is none, there is no distinction. This was precisely my point. Literally nothing in this earth belongs to us, nothing, everything is either created ex nihilo by an agent/cause or was always there.
(December 28, 2020 at 11:44 am)Klorophyll Wrote: And because these things displays appearances of complexity, design, etc, this makes it more probable than not that the agent in question is intelligent, and meant for the end result to happen.That is a claim. Can you demonstrate it?
(December 28, 2020 at 11:44 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Appearance of design is the very definition of design.Nope. Have you never heard that appearances can be deceiving?
(December 28, 2020 at 11:44 am)Klorophyll Wrote: What we usually consider to be cleverly designed machines is a combination of matter that doesn't belong to us in a way that is useful to a set of people, in other words, assigning design to something is actually a subjective issue; it's not difficult to see that there is no intrinsic property of design that we can assign to objects around us. It's really a matter of nomenclature.That is flat out baloney.