RE: What will win the god wars? Faith, Fantasy, Facts, or God?
December 10, 2020 at 4:17 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2020 at 4:25 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 10, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:Maybe not, but in a universe were you (rightly) declare another person morally wrong, that would be irrelevant.(December 10, 2020 at 1:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They could do better, I agree....but this agreement is premised on a course of universal right action
In a chaotic world and universe, a universal right action may not be possible.
Quote:I argue that there are no universal objective moral tenets.
Check that assumption..and, fwiw, moral condemnation is most effective when there are objective condemnations. As soon as you say that there are no universal tenets, you erode the case. It's because you believe that there are, and that christian moral tenets are in error or are sub-par that you offer the criticism that you do. Temet Nosce.
Quote:More like an immoral hole, given the macro moral/immoral policies they promote.
Regards
DL
Well, sure, but you can't spell immoral without moral.
Lets use another rl example, about something trivial to make it lower stakes™. Though, we'll see quickly, that the stakes can't be lowered. I spent about a year learning jukendo. Professionally. Which is to say that I did it five days a week for eight hours a day....for money. Would you believe it if I told you that when I attend a kendo meet the other participants accuse me of cheating in so many other words? I'll likely never achieve 8th dan, even though I've been doing this since I was a kid, and did it for money, and did it professionally when my life was on the line. For some people, I'll never be (credibly) more than 5th dan. An nco. A non commissioned officer with a non commisioned officers weapon. Sure..I'm good with it, and can be expected to kill the the privileged sword classes, but my beating them..indeed..all of the peasants beating them, does not change the moral claim made which supports the status quo. Not in feudal japan, and not in modern earth.
A moral claim is made. A losing swordsman is better than a winning spearman. Beating a good swordsman doesn't alter that claim.
Now, sure..I did that, that is what is - but when i went to kendo demonstrations, they sought to exclude me. Or, at best, to make me and the style that I'd learned a demonstration (so that it doesn't directly compete). Noda Style. The fact that I know jukendo and the fact that I'm a large guy with long arms necessitates a certain tactic for defeating the other man, especially if he's armed with a shinai, which is a terrible weapon to defend or compete with a person who's holding a bayonet, win or lose.
It is the case that I'm good with a spear. However, it is also the case that the kendo community believes that a spear is a morally secondary weapon to a sword. That regardles of how things are, this is how things should be.
You might recognize that my being good with a spear doesnt change the normative assertion of being good with a sword?
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