(February 21, 2021 at 10:53 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:(February 21, 2021 at 7:12 pm)Brian37 Wrote: HELLO MCFLY, try smashing your computer into a million pieces then try to turn it back on.
A sufficiently advanced technology could do exactly that, reproducing the original based on analysis of the pieces. Indeed there is a theory by Leonard Susskind that says information is indestructible. Admittedly, it is way over my head so I am unable to evaluate it. Google it and see what you can make of it.
The point is that you are oversimplifying this. I don't know how much you intuit or understand that there is absolutely NOTHING in known physics that allows for chemical and electrical processes to lead to consciousness. That isn't to say that it can't (because it apparently does) but the mechanism is utterly outside our understanding. Try to understand fire without any inkling of chemistry or the atomic theory of matter. That's where we are with consciousness. With that level of ignorance, it is pure hubris to declare that physics "proves" that consciousness cannot survive the death of the body - especially with outside help.
Yes, I am simplifying it because there is a fine line between real science and people using real science to justify absurdity.
We are cloning human tissue and will eventually get to the point of being able to replace a liver, or lung or heart. We might even be able to, in the future cure spinal cord injury. But just like a car, you can change the tires, change the oil, change the spark plugs, and even replace the entire engine. But that will only extend the life of the car, it will not make it last 10,000 years, or a million years.
There is no fountain of youth, and there is no such thing as "forever" no matter how much we push the window of extending life.
Consciousness is not a "forever" thing. It never will be.
Even if technology got to the point of recording our thoughts on a computer, that recording would not be us, it would be a copy, a simulation.
Where was your consciousness 4 billion years ago? Where was your consciousness 13.8 billion years ago?
What makes anyone think your consciousness will be around 10 billion years from now?
"Hubris" to me are when humans think they can escape their finite existence. One can only extend life, and we certainly can expand that window, but there is no such thing as "forever" for our species. No matter what, our sun will expand and destroy our solar system. And our species will be long gone by the time that happens.
Be it the old god/gods/God/deity mythology of antiquity, or even modern si fi woo, both of those are nothing more than a reflection of human's fear of death and false sense of security of a desire to continue forever.
There certainly is lots humans have yet to discover about science sure, but even scientists know, the even the entire universe will run out of energy and die. There is no "hubris" in accepting fact.
