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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(June 6, 2021 at 1:18 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(June 6, 2021 at 10:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you believe strongly enough to force a birth, at least have the courage of your own convictions to plainly discuss it.

As I said earlier, the real world is too complex to be thinking in such absolute terms. We are not slaves to rules—even the Bible asks us to break them when better outcomes can be achieved (e.g. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, or David eating bread from the Temple). As such, I have no issues with abortion being justified under some scenarios but not under others.

That said, I'm not a fan of many pro-choice arguments; they have a certain avoidant nature to them.

It's not about people who have abortions and whether or not an abortion is or isn't or even can be justified.  .  It's about what you're willing to use the power of the state to do.

So, let's hear it.  Will you strap them to gurneys, or just fine them?  Sue a provider?  Incarcerate the people who help?

They have "an avoidant nature" because we've criminalized abortions before, and we don't want what happened then to happen again. Or, at least, some of us don't. Do you genuinely believe that the issue should be revisited, or any form of criminalization repeated? Is it in the interest of the state to charge anyone with a crime here?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims - by The Grand Nudger - June 6, 2021 at 7:16 pm

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