(September 8, 2021 at 2:25 am)Deesse23 Wrote:We know cars are designed because we designed them. This applied to non-man-made objects. Theists are so dishonest(September 7, 2021 at 7:56 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Category mistake: asking for concrete/empirical evidence for the existence of a non-empirical being.
Your request is logically invalid
HE asked for concrete. NO word about empirical. Could have been concrete metaphysical evidence, concrete ...miraculous evidence.
Very telling about your standard for evidence if you think asking for concrete evidence for your belief is too much. Thus, by your own admission, you believe in stuff without concrete evidence.
Quote:What I meant by a category mistake is that disembodied minds (e.g. God) can't be the object of a mundane scientific experiment. By definition of a disembodied mind, one cannot derive some experiment that proves its existence, unlike an embodied mind (e.g. human beings) or an object/particle such as electrons.Wrong
If a disembodied mind exists, then it interacts with reality, at least thats what theists like you claim all year long. Like telling you what it wants, like inspiring (embodied) minds to write holy books, or to try and kill their kid on an altar.....even creating whole universes.
Whatever...if this disembodied mind exists, its interaction with/effect on reality should be able to be investigated.
Quote:In the case of the universe, the analogy is valid, and the fact that complex entities evolved through time doesn't invalidate it, because the very process of evolution could be (is?) part of a divine intention.Evolution could also have been triggered by evolution triggering pixies*. Is that enough to make you believe in evolution triggering pixies? No? Why? ...please dont say evidence.
*who just trigger evolution(s) and then *poof* disppear, without we ever being able to figure out them pixies did it in the first place
Quote:God's existence is vastly more probable than not given the perceived order in the universe. Upon seeing a car engine, you immediately think of how skillful its designers must be, it's asinine to suggest it was put together without the existence of some intention. In the case of the universe, the analogy is valid,
Please show your calculation for this probability.
We recognize design by putting it in contrast with nature. If you claim everything is designed, you have nothing to compare to. Everything just as well could be natural (which it most probably is). You know a car engine is designed, because car engines dont occur naturally. You dont infer car engines are designed because they are complex. Thats a fallacy. As an engineer i have to add that hallmark of a good design is simplicity. You certainly and obviously have no idea about these principles.
So, no, universe and car engines....Nonsense and equivocation fallacy.
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM