RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
September 16, 2021 at 4:41 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2021 at 4:41 pm by R00tKiT.)
(September 16, 2021 at 4:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sounds like a no. Semantics won't help, I'll immediately ask you about perfection being the absence of flaws and..given the above, you'll immediately reverse your position on the matter. We can save ourselves the trouble.
Why would you define perfection like that....? A common definition of a perfect being is a maximally great being. We know what maximally great means. Perfect knowledge, for example, as an aspect of perfectness, is the knowledge of all true propositions. Omnipotence is the ability to do anything that is logically possible, etc.
As you can see, we don't need to resort to any negative definition when it comes to perfectness. But it seems to me you would agree that flawness is not a character, but a metric or measure of different characters....
(September 16, 2021 at 4:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Then it isn't actually a rule, as you asserted, that we can only get what our creator has to give - and even you don't believe as much. Our proposed creator has perfection..but we don't, and our proposed creator has no flaws...but we do. In fact, you believe that we can get things our creator doesn't have.
As I pointed out, flawness is not a thing. It's a measurement of some character or ability or function.
(September 16, 2021 at 4:02 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How does this fit with your belief that our claimed benevolence is evidence of a benevolent god? Give-get.
How does it fit into your belief that nature cannot be the agent of human benevolence? Has-hasn't.
Benevolence is our default state, how can anyone argue otherwise? Even without resorting to religion at all, it's clear that benevolence, empathy, some sense of justice, etc. are a necessary requirement for coexistence, otherwise we wouldn't be able to form societies even in their most rudimentary form, nor ensure the survival of our species to begin with.