RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
November 5, 2021 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2021 at 12:15 pm by R00tKiT.)
(November 5, 2021 at 11:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Proving deism disproves theism by default, they're directly contradictory claims.
I already explained what I mean by deism: belief in some form of supreme power that might or might no be a personal God as in classical theism. In this sense, they're not contradictory.
(November 5, 2021 at 11:24 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you wanna go all thomas jefferson on us, by all means have at it...
I am going to ask you, again, to shut it. You have the very dishonest habit of not conceding any point, then deflecting the focus on some other issue about my beliefs. If you don't have an answer to what's above about causality, then say, humbly, that causality is universally true in all areas of physics, only then we can move on to discuss beliefs.
(November 5, 2021 at 11:56 am)Soberman921 Wrote: Deism certainly refutes Christianity since a God that simply set things in motion is very different from the always interfering Christian God. The entire fine tuning argument of which so many Christians are fond makes little sense in arguing for the Christian God because that God wouldn't need a fine tuned universe to create life. He's capable of creating life under any circumstances.
It's not really about God "needing" to fine-tune a universe. It's about how we can prove his existence based on the observable world.
(November 4, 2021 at 12:03 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Finally, the notion of causality in your third article is dependent on the existence of natural laws. So, once again, it does not address the fact that ALL causality, such as it exists, is within the universe and a consequence of the natural laws. it does NOT support your claim for causality outside of the universe, nor even the claim of simultaneous causality within the universe.
It does not follow from causality being true inside the universe that it depends on natural laws. Natural laws could simply be the form causality takes inside a spacetime. As I mentioned before, Kant argued that causality is a synthetic a priori,, you can't deduce it from experience. You can't prove that causality is true even within the universe, but you still need it as an assumption to do science. You either accept it as universally true or hypocritically reject it to avoid dealing with the possiblity of a first cause.
