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Atheists in church
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RE: Atheists in church
(September 22, 2021 at 11:58 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(September 21, 2021 at 7:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why don’t you care about being rational?
Holding irrational beliefs has served me well so far. I have no reason to adopt a hard-line rationale for everything I do or believe.

With regards to things like: love, taste in art, music, movies, hardly anyone bases these on rational thinking. These fall into the category of being non-rational. It is neither rational or irrational to like the art one likes.

But, with regards to beliefs in existential claims like the existence of gods, this is different. One's beliefs don't live in a vacuum, they have real world consequences. People vote, and treat people differently, depending on their god beliefs.

And you claim that your irrational beliefs have served you well, so far. But I would suggest, that having an internal model of the world, that can be demonstrated to more closely map to reality, will help people navigate their lives making better decisions. Just because you have been doing ok, so far, doesn't mean you couldn't have been doing better, by holding rational beliefs.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 9:04 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2021 at 9:14 am
RE: Atheists in church - by brewer - September 15, 2021 at 9:25 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 9:24 am
RE: Atheists in church - by arewethereyet - September 15, 2021 at 9:30 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 9:38 am
RE: Atheists in church - by arewethereyet - September 15, 2021 at 9:51 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 9:55 am
RE: Atheists in church - by onlinebiker - September 15, 2021 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Fake Messiah - September 18, 2021 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Mister Agenda - September 15, 2021 at 10:50 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheists in church - by arewethereyet - September 15, 2021 at 11:14 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Mister Agenda - September 15, 2021 at 11:21 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ravenshire - September 16, 2021 at 3:57 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 16, 2021 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Oldandeasilyconfused - October 12, 2021 at 5:48 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by onlinebiker - September 15, 2021 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheists in church - by onlinebiker - September 15, 2021 at 9:41 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Angrboda - September 15, 2021 at 9:49 am
RE: Atheists in church - by no one - September 15, 2021 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 10:02 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheists in church - by GUBU - September 21, 2021 at 4:04 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 21, 2021 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 11:07 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 15, 2021 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 11:36 am
RE: Atheists in church - by zwanzig - September 15, 2021 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 15, 2021 at 11:32 am
RE: Atheists in church - by HappySkeptic - September 15, 2021 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ranjr - September 15, 2021 at 12:33 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by emjay - September 15, 2021 at 5:01 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by onlinebiker - September 16, 2021 at 11:18 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Gwaithmir - September 17, 2021 at 8:56 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Gwaithmir - September 18, 2021 at 7:06 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 18, 2021 at 9:05 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 18, 2021 at 11:31 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Simon Moon - September 20, 2021 at 7:45 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 21, 2021 at 12:46 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 21, 2021 at 1:14 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Angrboda - September 21, 2021 at 1:32 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 21, 2021 at 1:43 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2021 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheists in church - by brewer - September 22, 2021 at 11:38 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Simon Moon - September 21, 2021 at 5:02 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 21, 2021 at 5:20 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Simon Moon - September 21, 2021 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 21, 2021 at 7:38 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 22, 2021 at 11:58 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Angrboda - September 22, 2021 at 12:46 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 22, 2021 at 12:53 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by Mermaid - September 18, 2021 at 2:56 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2021 at 2:40 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 21, 2021 at 2:57 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Astreja - September 21, 2021 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 21, 2021 at 3:14 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2021 at 2:58 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 21, 2021 at 3:17 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 22, 2021 at 11:45 am
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 22, 2021 at 12:08 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 22, 2021 at 12:34 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 22, 2021 at 1:31 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 22, 2021 at 2:00 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 22, 2021 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 23, 2021 at 7:16 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 24, 2021 at 6:27 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 26, 2021 at 8:51 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 24, 2021 at 7:07 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 24, 2021 at 7:20 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by Simon Moon - September 25, 2021 at 9:06 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by arewethereyet - September 24, 2021 at 7:35 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 25, 2021 at 3:36 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 25, 2021 at 4:51 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 25, 2021 at 5:40 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 25, 2021 at 6:12 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 25, 2021 at 6:27 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 25, 2021 at 8:20 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 25, 2021 at 8:41 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 26, 2021 at 6:33 am
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 26, 2021 at 6:34 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 26, 2021 at 6:55 am
RE: Atheists in church - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 26, 2021 at 6:56 am
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 26, 2021 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Fake Messiah - September 26, 2021 at 7:19 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 26, 2021 at 7:21 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Fake Messiah - September 26, 2021 at 7:26 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 26, 2021 at 7:31 am
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 26, 2021 at 7:38 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by LadyForCamus - September 26, 2021 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Simon Moon - September 26, 2021 at 2:44 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ravenshire - September 26, 2021 at 11:49 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 27, 2021 at 5:53 am
RE: Atheists in church - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 27, 2021 at 6:08 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 9:07 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 27, 2021 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 10:12 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 7:52 am
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 27, 2021 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 9:18 am
RE: Atheists in church - by no one - September 25, 2021 at 3:39 pm
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RE: Atheists in church - by no one - September 25, 2021 at 6:35 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2021 at 6:34 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2021 at 7:03 am
RE: Atheists in church - by zebo-the-fat - September 26, 2021 at 7:34 am
RE: Atheists in church - by The Architect Of Fate - September 26, 2021 at 11:58 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 27, 2021 at 10:37 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 10:48 am
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2021 at 10:47 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 10:51 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by Ahriman - September 27, 2021 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 11:08 am
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: Atheists in church - by UniverseCaptain - September 27, 2021 at 11:07 am
RE: Atheists in church - by The Grand Nudger - September 27, 2021 at 11:33 am
RE: Atheists in church - by Spongebob - September 27, 2021 at 12:55 pm
RE: Atheists in church - by MadJW - September 30, 2021 at 5:49 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by MadJW - September 30, 2021 at 6:47 am
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RE: Atheists in church - by ThatNomad - October 10, 2021 at 12:55 pm
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