RE: Free Will Debate
November 24, 2021 at 3:58 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2021 at 4:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Im not sure I understand? The question is whether the thing being observed is a or b. We tend to allow that the instruments we use have no free will whatsoever. A machine designed to detect free will would not need free will to do so, but it not having free will doesn’t speak to whether or not we, or more broadly what it’s observing, do.
Maybe I’m just easy this way- but if person a contends that we have free will and use it to x…and when we go looking it turns out to be involuntary, I’d call the issue settled.
Here’s something that might clear up my confusion- when you ask how we can know that a thing being observed is deterministic or free willed, are you asking me about fatalism, more properly, as you used the term to describe before- where, since the dawn of time, everything conspired to force your choosing haddock is a given?
I ask because environmental factors to decisions are a known known- but I assume that whatever free will is supposed to be it’s contained within the subset of our actions that are self caused. Some of which contended to be free in some way.
If you only had haddock (due to environmental factors) then it would be unremarkable -that- you chose the haddock… but we’d still be looking at the same question.
Maybe I’m just easy this way- but if person a contends that we have free will and use it to x…and when we go looking it turns out to be involuntary, I’d call the issue settled.
Here’s something that might clear up my confusion- when you ask how we can know that a thing being observed is deterministic or free willed, are you asking me about fatalism, more properly, as you used the term to describe before- where, since the dawn of time, everything conspired to force your choosing haddock is a given?
I ask because environmental factors to decisions are a known known- but I assume that whatever free will is supposed to be it’s contained within the subset of our actions that are self caused. Some of which contended to be free in some way.
If you only had haddock (due to environmental factors) then it would be unremarkable -that- you chose the haddock… but we’d still be looking at the same question.
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