(July 17, 2022 at 5:32 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(July 17, 2022 at 5:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Three quick points:
1) The supernatural can trivially be established by repeatable observations of the violation of the Conservation of Energy on a macroscopic scale. The spontaneous healing of an adult amputee, walking on liquid water under STP conditions, etc., are clear examples of events, which if observed, would falsify naturalism.
That presumes you can demonstrate a closed system, which is impossible as doing so critically depends on an argument from ignorance.
(July 17, 2022 at 5:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: 2) Supernatural prophecy could be easily established by predicting extremely improbable events, say, the exact sequence of heads/tails in 100 tosses of a coin, which could easily be performed in 15 to 20 minutes.
Again, a closed system problem. It requires the agent to have no naturally acquired information about the event, which you can't demonstrate without disproving precognition, time travel, etc.
(July 17, 2022 at 5:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: 3) The stories about Jesus of Nazareth as recorded in the Gospels fall firmly in the category of embellished historical myth & legend. Other than his birth, apocalyptic outlook and execution, mostly nothing in the Gospels should be viewed as being historical. For instance, it is likely that Jesus' earliest followers did not even claim that he performed any naturalistic miracles.
Some stories about historical figures are likely apocryphal and didn't happen and are therefore historical fiction. That fact alone doesn't mean they necessarily didn't happen.
We will simply have to agree to disagree on points #1 & #2, and with respect to #3, you're pounding on an open door.
