Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: May 11, 2024, 4:30 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
does evil exist?
#37
RE: does evil exist?
(November 8, 2022 at 11:13 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Necessity doesn't imply any goals.  If you step off a buildings ledge you will necessarily fall.  The building isn't looking to kill you, or make you fall.  Gravity, also not looking to kill you, or make you fall.  All necessity means is that there is no other logical alternative.

A necessary evil, therefore, is some thing which is evil, but for which there is no logical alternative.  So, for example, when heterotrophs eat - this may be evil, depending on your definition of evil - and if so it is a necessary evil - because heterotroph.  It's not logically possible for you to be a heterotroph without engaging in evil under such an understanding of evil.

Sometimes we see people split that baby, and say that..sure, killing things to eat is of moral import, but only killing things of a certain kind is of the moral import which concerns us most.  Is evil.  This, conveniently, is the conceptual difference between bad and evil, where vegan heterotrophy is considered..perhaps not exactly good, but not as bad, as omnivorous heterotrophy, which is the Bad Bad.

We are using different definitions, but I think yours is more in accord with the etymology--  ne (not) + cedere (to go/yield), so something like "not going away" or in a more pragmatic sense, something which is inevitable or unavoidable. So let's go with yours.

But on second thought, I'm not sure that my usage is really that different-- if you have goals which you consider good, certain actions may be logically unavoidable.  For example, if you consider heterotrophy (new word to me, thank you for it) evil, then you may decide that going full-on 12 Monkeys is the best way to minimize evil. All it takes is one former hippie in a virology department to have an LSD flashback, and off we go.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
does evil exist? - by Quill01 - October 2, 2022 at 1:32 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by onlinebiker - October 2, 2022 at 2:03 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 2, 2022 at 2:45 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 2, 2022 at 4:07 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Angrboda - October 3, 2022 at 3:27 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - October 2, 2022 at 8:16 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Angrboda - October 2, 2022 at 8:23 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Foxaèr - October 2, 2022 at 8:30 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Ahriman - October 3, 2022 at 12:06 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Angrboda - October 3, 2022 at 12:53 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Fake Messiah - October 3, 2022 at 1:04 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2022 at 1:46 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2022 at 1:56 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 3, 2022 at 3:42 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - October 7, 2022 at 8:29 am
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 7, 2022 at 12:44 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - October 7, 2022 at 10:36 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Ahriman - November 8, 2022 at 6:18 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 8, 2022 at 10:50 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Orbit - October 7, 2022 at 4:37 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2022 at 4:49 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by LadyForCamus - October 7, 2022 at 11:12 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2022 at 12:05 am
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - October 8, 2022 at 1:52 am
RE: does evil exist? - by arewethereyet - October 8, 2022 at 10:37 am
RE: does evil exist? - by h311inac311 - October 10, 2022 at 1:07 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 13, 2022 at 5:57 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - October 13, 2022 at 11:01 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - October 14, 2022 at 12:33 am
RE: does evil exist? - by Quill01 - October 30, 2022 at 4:08 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by HankMoody316 - November 8, 2022 at 11:45 am
RE: does evil exist? - by Belacqua - November 8, 2022 at 1:53 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by LinuxGal - November 8, 2022 at 11:07 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Neo-Scholastic - November 9, 2022 at 8:29 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2022 at 11:13 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 9, 2022 at 8:56 am
RE: does evil exist? - by Anomalocaris - November 8, 2022 at 11:35 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2022 at 11:42 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2022 at 7:07 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 9, 2022 at 9:15 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 10, 2022 at 5:56 am
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 10, 2022 at 6:52 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by Angrboda - November 10, 2022 at 8:31 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 10, 2022 at 11:42 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by HappySkeptic - November 14, 2022 at 3:04 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 14, 2022 at 8:51 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by h4ym4n - November 14, 2022 at 5:23 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by bennyboy - November 14, 2022 at 8:49 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2022 at 8:47 pm
RE: does evil exist? - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2022 at 6:38 am
RE: does evil exist? - by Objectivist - November 12, 2022 at 12:19 am
RE: does evil exist? - by h4ym4n - November 15, 2022 at 5:30 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Are cats evil beasts that should be killed to save mice? FlatAssembler 34 2549 November 28, 2022 at 11:41 am
Last Post: Fireball
  Does a natural "god" maybe exist? Skeptic201 19 1694 November 27, 2022 at 7:46 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Do Chairs Exist? vulcanlogician 93 7307 September 29, 2021 at 11:41 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician
  The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense. Mystic 158 68845 December 29, 2017 at 7:21 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window. Mystic 473 51325 November 12, 2017 at 7:57 pm
Last Post: bennyboy
  Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil. Mystic 315 46860 October 23, 2017 at 12:34 pm
Last Post: Foxaèr
  Reasoning showing that heterosexuality is evil I_am_not_mafia 21 4664 October 23, 2017 at 8:23 am
Last Post: ignoramus
Wink Emoticons are Intrinsically Good and Evil Fireball 4 1106 October 21, 2017 at 12:11 am
Last Post: Succubus
  If Aliens Exist, Where Are They? Severan 21 5187 July 14, 2017 at 2:17 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Is knowledge the root of all evil? Won2blv 22 5881 February 18, 2017 at 7:56 pm
Last Post: Edwardo Piet



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)