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Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
#41
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
(December 31, 2011 at 12:38 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Please go and blow yourself up in the middle of a field, then go and hump your 72 made up virgins in your made up paradise.

Where do athesists get the 72 virgins from there is nothing mentioned in the quran about 72 virgins FUCK YOU SICK PEOPLE
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#42
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
It's in the hadiths isn't it.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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#43
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
(December 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: It's in the hadiths isn't it.

Quote me the hadith where it is from. Have you been top mecca ??????? or Madina??????
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#44
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
Stolen from Wiki...

"The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Quran 55:72, it is stated:
It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.[62]"
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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#45
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
I love the ironic complaint about the spelling of Qur'an, given that your username is an incorrect spelling of Atheist. It's not spelt Athiest, fool.
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#46
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
(December 31, 2011 at 12:58 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Stolen from Wiki...

"The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Quran 55:72, it is stated:
It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard Muhammad saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San'a.[62]"

More Israelis and their friends in this country talk about 72 virgins, as heavenly reward, than Muslims. From what I have been able to trace, it all started with the CBS' 60-Minutes show in 1996 in which two Palestinian "terrorists" were shown perhaps jokingly referring to Abdullah `Azzam's book, "Join the Caravan," which had come out just a few months earlier in 1995. One of them stated that Muslims are promised 72 virgins in heaven for martyrdom. From that point onwards, there has been relentless propaganda that suicide bombers have been blowing themselves up so that they can go to heaven and get their 72 virgins. You can also test this theory on Google Groups Advanced Search. Although there have been great many controversies about Islam on Usenet, there is hardly any post that refers to 72 virgins before 1996. So this myth started with CBS' 60 Minutes, which is an extremely pro-Israeli show and is quite notorious for doing a job on those who are against Israel.


Quran does not say anything about 72 vigins. For other sources one must turn to the six (recognized) books of Hadith, among which Malik's Muwatta and Bukhari are more reliable. But neither Malik nor Bukhari considered their compilations perfect. Out of the other four Hadith books, Tirmidhi is the main source for the belief that martyrs may get up to 72 Houris. It was only in the sixth century A.H. that Tirmidhi's "Jami'" was accepted as one of the canonical books on Hadith. Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud and Sunan Nasai all received acceptance before Tirmidhi's Jami'. The other source is Ibn Khatir's "tafseer" (commentary) on the Quran. In a recent translation of his work, one can find a note from the publisher saying, "We are aware that Ibn Kathir's original work does contain some weak narrations as well as a number of Traditions related from the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians}." Therefore, one can say that if a theological issue only has to rest on Tirmidhi and Ibn Khatir's commentary, it probably wouldn't be considered as very reliable. [By the way, the number 72 was a significant number in Jewish mysticism and among Christian Gnostics, and that's probably how it got into Hadith literature. But that's another topic].


Quran does mention Houris and describes them as beautiful women of Paradise, who will be "married" to those men who make it to Heaven. But the exact number is not given. In Bukhari, there is a Hadith that two Houris will be given to each man, but it's narrated through Abu Huraira, a man about whose credibility many Muslims, especially the Shiah, have expressed some grave doubts about throughout Islamic
history.


Quran makes it certain that people will enter Heaven with their wives and children: "And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them in faith, We will unite with them their offspring..."(52:21). Verse 40.8 also says the same thing, " Our Lord! and make them enter the gardens of perpetuity which Thou hast promised to them and those who do good of their fathers and their wives and their offspring, surely Thou are the Mighty, the Wise."


As far as the descriptions of Paradise are concerned in the Quran, the idea is that each person who believes in God and has good deeds would be rewarded in the hereafter with whatever his or her heart desires. [It is expected that a person would be wise and noble before he or she enters Heaven]. There is a well known Hadith, reported both in Bukhari and Muslim, that says, "God has said that for my good and obedient servants, I have prepared that which no eyes have seen, no ears have heard, and no heart has considered." Ibn Abbas, one of the companions of the Prophet (s.a.w), also stated that except for names, there is no comparison between what exists on earth and what will be in the hereafter.
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#47
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
It's still a load of shit.

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#48
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
Nice story, bro.
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#49
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
Alrighty! Time to spend a little time writing my responses....

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

I dont deny the existance of their god. God has many names; they just worship him the wrong way... I don't get outraged when people deny the existence of my god; people do it all the time.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.


Not I! I embrace theistic evolution as a POSSIBILITY. To say evolution is fact is just as incorrect as to say it is not plausible... The biblical claim that we came "from dirt" was a metaphor meant to show case god's power.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.


I dont laugh at polytheists. They have not accepted jesus' sacrifice, and that could mean hell. Thats no laughing matter... I not only believe in a triune god, but an infinite one.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

The atrocities in Joshua make my face turn purple too! However, they were ordained by god, for whatever reason, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah teaches us that god would not slaughter innocents... Also; that is old testament. Old testament law is very different to that of which we are in now.

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

I don't take them seriously because they aren't historically and scientifically backed like my bible is.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

1. I dont look for loopholes. I think its very plausible the earth is 4.54 billion years old.
2. You should know that the "tribesmen" never guessed the age of the earth. And even if they did; it would probably be accurate, as those "tribesmen" kept extremely well documented family trees and were very paranoid about recording history, as to not forget their tradition.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

1. Im not so sure that hell is infinite
2. My religion is infinitely tolerant towards anyone who is willing to repent from their sin and accept jesus' sacrifice.

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

In what way does our "science, history, geology, biology, and physics" contradict my faith? The bible encourages us to study our world.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

Thats silly. 1 in 10000 is a very low "success" rate. Prayer is a tool mainly to help and better ourselves. Its the praying itself that helps us, not the answering of our greedy prayers.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

1. You dont have to be a historian to be a christian.
2. You know very well that this reason does not apply to all Christians, and to think such is an obvious product of extreme prejudice.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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#50
RE: Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian
Oh my DNA!! Another self important fool. Yay Undecided
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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