Ten Reasons I'm Not a Christian

[DeistPaladin]

Ah. The Westboro "baptist" church. This group DOES NOT represent Christianity in any way. They are self serving word twisters, and disregard much of the bible. It would be rightful for you to be angry at them. Heck, IM angry at them. However, dont brand the vast majority of loving Christianity (more commonly in protestant Christianity) like this church simply because they call themselves "baptist."

If you would like I could post some scripture that does show jesus' love?

As Larissa said, they get their dogma straight out of the Bible. Having read the Bible myself, I can say they're "right" about what it says. Yahweh really does hate "fags". Yahweh really does send disease, natural disasters and defeats in war against people who have offended him. Yahweh really is a bloodthirsty and sadistic god. At least according to the Bible.

I'm personally not so much angry at Westboro as I am appreciative of their prominent example of the asylum of Christianity.

This is your brain:


This is your brain on Christianity:


Any questions?

[Doubting Thomas]

Ah, yes, the "not true Christians" defense. Sorry, but they are true Christians. Just because they do things you don't like doesn't mean you get to claim they're not part of your group.

Yes, I know that most Christians don't agree with them. But please remember the WBC the next time a Christian makes the claim that someone who believes in God and Jesus is a better person and more moral than an atheist.

[organiccornflake]

WBBC has twisted the words of scripture to meet their agenda. How wrong of you to stereotype all of Christianity because of the actions of a few! I could do the same thing with atheism, if I wanted.

[DeistPaladin]

WBBC has twisted the words of scripture to meet their agenda. How wrong of you to stereotype all of Christianity because of the actions of a few! I could do the same thing with atheism, if I wanted.

Be sure you cite traditional atheist sacred scripture, a book that we all consider to be the revealed Truth when you do.

...oh, right.

[Doubting Thomas]

It's not that "X Christians act this way, so all Christians do," it's that Christians hold themselves up to be better people than those who aren't Christian, but then you have idiots like the Phelps family who are nothing more than hate mongers. Yet when normal Christians look at the Phelpses, they claim that they're not true Christians instead of admitting that some Christians do things which aren't Christ-like. And they still hold onto this idea that Christians are better than atheists who don't persecute gays or protest military funerals.

[Minimalist]

WBBC has twisted the words of scripture to meet their agenda.

Not in the least, Flakey.

Leviticus 20:

13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

If anything, WBC is simply more honest than the rest of your lot. They don't pretend that the bullshit isn't in there.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

WBBC has twisted the words of scripture to meet their agenda.

NO they have NOT.Read Leviticus and Judges. Also familiarise yourself with ALL of the commandments; there are 613,not 10. (collectively called 'mitzvot')

How wrong of you to stereotype all of Christianity because of the actions of a few!

Nobody is doing that sonny. What we are saying is loopy old Fred and his spawns are true Christians,NOT that they represent all Christians.Clearly they do not.However,they ARE at the extreme edge of the the Christian spectrum.Not all that further down the track from say Sarah Palin, that Santorin arsehole and the lunar literalists.

The argument you have been using is based on a common logical fallacy,called 'no true Scotsman'.

I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians; your Christians are so unlike your Christ.( Mahatma Gandhi)

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No true Scotsman is an informal logical fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.[1] When faced with a counterexample to a universal claim, rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original universal claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

The 613 commandments (Hebrew: תרי"ג מצוות‎: taryag mitzvot, "613 Mitzvot"; Biblical Hebrew: Miṣwoth) is a numbering of the statements and principles of law, ethics, and spiritual practice contained in the Torah or Five Books of Moses. The numbering was first made by Rabbi Simlai in Talmud Makkot 23b.
These principles of Biblical law are sometimes called connections or commandments (mitzvot) and referred to collectively as the "Law of Moses" (Torat Moshe, תורת משה), "Mosaic Law", or simply "the Law". The word mitzvot is plural; singular is mitzvah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_Mitzvot

[organiccornflake]

Okay. Let me respond to each of your posts the best I can.

Okay; fine. WBBC, under the definition of "Follower of Christ," are christian.

Here's a stereotype for atheists, "All atheists are jerks who, while preaching that atheism is morally higher than Christianity, spit insults and hatred of everything and everyone that is even remotely theistic." Clearly a stereotype. Clearly not true. You don't need an interpretive book to subjugate you to stereotypes.

I have known for a long time that god said to put homosexuals to death. That is common knowledge. It is easy to poke holes in something when you take it out of context, isn't it? Those books were books of law for the people pre-jesus era. Those laws were necessary to forge the path of humanity. However, Jesus understood the evil of scripture twisting and the theocracy existing at the time. That's why he came; to challenge the church and be sacrificed. He paid the price of homosexuality; therefore the death penalty for homosexuality no longer applies. Can you not accept that most forms of Christianity are loving?

[Autumnlicious]

Of course, because Christians for the most part are SOOO loving.

That must be why they shouted down, like a mob, a fellow theist who happened to believe in 1+ more gods than Christians during congress.

Yep, most forms are "loving."

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Those books were books of law for the people pre-jesus era.

Not according to many Jews,including Yeshua/Yoshua bar Yusuf, who admonished his followers to keep the Law : Matthew 5: 17-19.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Torah, New Testament and Qur'an are so contradictory that followers of all of the Abrahamic faiths are forced to cherry pick the emphasis of their faith. Hence there are dropkicks like Fred Phelps,those ultra conservative areswipes in Jerusalem who spat on an 8 year old child, and Muslim suicide bombers.There are also many Christians whose lives quietly bear witness to their faith. There are Muslim Sufi mystics and Jewish Cabalists, who spend their lives in a quest to be with God. Most believers are just ordinary people who who do their best to lead good lives.Same goes for the atheists I know.

The LAST thing I want or need is to be patronised by some smug, wilfully ignorant apologist insisting I'm taking Christian teachings out of context, stereotyping or "just don't understand" .

PLEASE stop doing it, there's a good chap. I'm starting to get peeved. IE one step along from miffed and one away from a perfect tizzy,when I may say some very unkind and very coarse words.