Theists: Why do you love God?

[chi pan]

it was and epic poem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

Your reading and retention skills are lacking. Im not suprised though, as you are not very bright if you think Noahs arc was a historical event. I went over to wikipedia "firmament" and the first three paragraphs equated it with "Firm" (meaning solid) and this:

interesting quote

Language experts consider that the most accurate English translation for raqia in biblical Hebrew is "expanse" (i.e., that which was stretched out) and that "firmament" is a mistranslation

[reverendjeremiah]

Hmmm, This one says "sacrifices and burnt offerings." I guess Moses thought there was a difference. You are smarter than Moses?

it was and epic poem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

Your reading and retention skills are lacking. Im not suprised though, as you are not very bright if you think Noahs arc was a historical event. I went over to wikipedia "firmament" and the first three paragraphs equated it with "Firm" (meaning solid) and this:

interesting quote

Language experts consider that the most accurate English translation for raqia in biblical Hebrew is "expanse" (i.e., that which was stretched out) and that "firmament" is a mistranslation

The Psalms of David are poetry as well.. So we should shrug those off as fiction as well? Or does Bible poetery get special circumstances?

Now..if you are correct, and it is "just a poem", that still doesnt mean "fictional poem". it can word for word 100% be accurate history, yet in the form of a poem. Like I said, you talk a big game, but you fail in even the most basic concepts, such as assuming that "poem" ='s "fictional".


The "firmament" is a mistranslation? I though an all powerful and perfect God inspired the books of the bible...how can it have a "mis" anything in it, most especially a "misinterpretation"?

So wait...are you suggesting that God meant it to mean one thing, but us humans mistook it for something else?

You mean to tell me that faulty humans have fucked up the word of god?

How is that even possible?

what else in that Bible is fucked up and misinterpreted? The concept of original sin I bet. Yeah, original sin was a misinterpretation. It really meant humans are "born sin free" as opposed to "born in sin".

This is great...thanks for pointing out that the bible has errors in it.

Jesus crucifiction never happened either. It was a poetic falsehood created to make people happy. Jesus really packed up his whores and his wine and ran with his legs between his tail to Gaul.

[Aegrus]

We know who built it, we know why. We understand it so deeply we can tell you in detail.

is that so?

The Stonehenge site, 5,000 years old (new discoveries place it far back in history), still remains of the world’s greatest archeological mysteries. One of its biggest question marks revolves around its conception. It’s fairly understood why it was build, as a site of sun worshiping, but how it was actually built remains unknown, considering these slabs of stone weigh around 20-25 tones each and had to be transported from quarries many miles away.

-http://www.zmescience.com/science/archaeology/stonehenge-stones-origins-314345/

I tried to copy and paste your provided URL, but it lead me to an error screen. Are you sure it's accurate?--Edit-- nevermind, I got it working.

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No it doesn't. Actually if that were true we'd be taking 2 steps back in knowledge, not forward. God is still not an answer because he/it/thing hasn't been demonstrated to exist yet. A does not prove B without first proving A.

ok, i'll provide some evidence. the best i can provide at this time is a boat. one found in the mountains in Turkey. it fits the description as said in the bible as 'Noah's ark." coincidence? most likely not. for more evidence i'll do some research and get back to you

I read about that. it was faked.

http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2010/04/fake...mt_ara.php

http://www.wnd.com/2010/04/146941/

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why are those things relevant Soyouz? we're debating, not asking for personal information

That means he hasn't.

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The ark is such a funny story, 99% of species are extinct yet there are still 10000 species of bird, so 20000 on the 'dingy', 900000 species of insects, so 1.8m insects on the boat, where the fuck do you put Lassie?

obviously you cannot put every single species on the ark. just the certain kinds of animals.
and how was the formation made and why does it fit the description of that of noah's ark?

The bible says that (and I'm reading from it right now as I post this)
"Of clean animals, and of animals that are not clean, and of birds, and of EVERYTHING that creeps on the ground, two and two, male and female, went into the ark with noah."

Everything is the key word there. So obviously, you can put every single species on the ark.

[Perhaps]

You think of order as a thing, when in fact it is not. Order is simply disorder that we can see and understand.

Think about that for a few minutes.

I agree, but I'm interested... Why do we (science) assume that this order. which we create, is the answer to a universe which is ultimately disorderly? Simply because it works in our very limited senses and technologies?

Just something to ponder,

[Godscreated]

Yeah. You feel love so you love back.

So you're reciprocating love. How do you know you're loved?

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He does forgive me of my sin through the sacrifice of his Son, he gave up his Son to a death on a cross for me, why shouldn't I love him.

What difference is that between a Mafia boss who disowns his own biological son, allows him to get murdered, and then proclaims you as his new heir? If you, GC, being a mere creation, are loved by your creator who sacrificed his *own child* for you to overcome his own silly rules regarding crimes against his honour, shouldn't you be feeling very disturbed and frightened instead at this point?

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God brings peace to my life when troubles seem to rule the day.

You don't have any troubles or hardships in your life? Are you sure?

How it is that me being an atheist, am able to overcome obstacles without any help or friends or neighbours?

He allows me to live another day, this is one of many reasons to love him and to worship him.

So you love him because he lets you live as opposed to ending your existence? Do you love a murderer who decides to spare your life after robbing you?

He has given me eternal life.

Like me, you're merely flesh and blood, frail and weak, your life easily extinguishable. Sorry to break it to you.

Also, if he gives you eternal life after death, and he can take it away just as easily, you're supposed to fear it. I mean if it's a fear-inspiring god, it should be able to crush your puny "indestructible" soul quite easily, how can you love what you should fear?

He's my Father,

You've... disowned your real biological father?

friend, companion, savior, prayer partner, provider and no one else comes close to fulfilling my life as he does,

Will he come with you to a party, or be your best-man at your wedding if you ask him to? No? Some friend... >.>

there is so much more but I believe you can see why I love God.

No, I can't.

You are a very sad man Welsh cake, I gave you my reasons of loving God and you want to make a joke of them, do not expect me to answer any more of your questions, seems like you would of appreciated that at least one person answered your question. I guess that makes me the fool.

[reverendjeremiah]

You are a very sad man Welsh cake, I gave you my reasons of loving God and you want to make a joke of them, do not expect me to answer any more of your questions, seems like you would of appreciated that at least one person answered your question. I guess that makes me the fool.

YEAH!!! You should love for the reasons GC gives you to love God DAMNIT!!!

[ElDinero]

I think Chipan may legitimately be the stupidest poster I've ever seen on these forums. And as I'm sure long standing members will back me up on, that is saying quite a lot.

Noah's ark literally true...words fail me.

[reverendjeremiah]

I think Chipan may legitimately be the stupidest poster I've ever seen on these forums. And as I'm sure long standing members will back me up on, that is saying quite a lot.

Noah's ark literally true...words fail me.

Chipan is deffinitely giving GC a run for his money right now...its a close race right now, but GC has longevity.

We shall see how it pans out as time goes by.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Of clean animals, and of animals that are not clean, and of birds, and of EVERYTHING that creeps on the ground, two and two, male and female, went into the ark with noah.

How on earth did kangaroos,koalas, emus hairy nosed wombats and even cute little bilbies reach the ark,and then get home to Australia?

PLUS

Genesis 7:1-5 Then Yahweh said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you alone are righteous before me in this generation. TAKE WITH YOU SEVEN PAIRS OF ALL CLEAN ANIMALS, the male and its mate; AND A PAIR OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE NOT CLEAN, the male and its mate; AND SEVEN PAIRS OF THE BIRDS of the air also, male and female, to keep their kind alive on the face of all the earth. For in seven days I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights; and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground." AND NOAH DID ALL THAT YAHWEH COMMANDED HIM.

Chipan is deffinitely giving GC a run for his money right now...its a close race right now, but GC has longevity.

Yep,yet another one so bloody minded as to have attained the formidable skill of being able to simply ignore ANYTHING which contradicts his personal superstitions. He's right up there with those two intellectual giants, Ray Comfort and little Kirky Cameron.

Anyone giving odds on how long he'll last? Perhaps we could start a pool? I reckon no more than another3 weeks.

[ElDinero]

He's already left once after I spent 45 minutes making him look stupid the other day. He was back an hour later though, so if he says he's leaving, don't believe him because he's a fucking liar.