The Attack on Scientific Truth in Public Schools

[reverendjeremiah]

Have I ever responded saying Creationism is correct? I said that I see no problem with it being explained as a theory. Children should be shown the evidence and have it compared to every theory available. Simply telling a child one thing is fact and all others are bullshit is not helping develop or mature the child.

sorry. We have problems with equal time. You see, we dont think anything other than biology should be taught in a biology class. You are suggesting otherwise. Showing them other theories? Do we have to dilute science so much as to show kids all of the competing theories, even the really fucking STUPID ones like Intelligent design and Creationism?

You see, there is also a reason why we are getting pissed at you. One of the Creationist modes of attack are "If we cant dominate the school work, then we can dominate class time." So they teach their children to constantly interupt any mention of evolution with constant questions, or bringing up of other theories. You would be encouraging this tactic in class. I want my children to learn biology...not the stupid shit that people make up in their heads.

Teaching a child what is scientifically real is the BEST way to make a mature, rational adult out of him or her. Allowing religion to ruin that is wrong.

My sister, for attending a private school and being taught supernatural explanations for existence, has placed two grade levels higher than any of the publicly schooled children in the district. The same is true for almost all of her classmates. This isn't to belittle anyone, simply to illustrate that supernatural teachings do nothing to hinder a child's learning.

Yeah, and if she gets below a C she gets kicked out of the school, and then public schools will HAVE to take her. THIS is why private schools look better. One - they teach them superstition instead of science. Two - they can get rid of the ones who are doing bad, which gives them a 100% success rate.

So she is two levels above other kids her age, and the way you kame it sound is because of the supernatural stuff they teach her. And all the rest of her classmates as well. Im calling it...my bullshit meter is going off.

I have to ask, what country is she in? Because standardised tests in America have jack shit all to do with supernaturalism.

Creationism comprises a very small part of science education, same with elementary evolution. I'd rather my child be taught scientific method and apply it to theories, as opposed to blatant "factual" information giving them a one-sided view of the world, regardless of how correct it may be. If you don't wish the same then simply vote against it. I explained my point of view, no need to attack me for it.

Please come back down out of the clouds and back down here on Earth. this entire block of text is horse shit...and then claiming we cannot attack you for it is nonsense. You are an advocate for creationism and intelligent design for biology classes on an atheist forums...and then you have the balls to say we should not attack you for this?

Do you think we are fucking stupid?

Honestly man...you must be one hell of a dreamer

[Perhaps]

Perhaps I can simplify my opinion...

Children should be taught the scientific method and use said method to verify or falsify scientific theories. Allowing creationism in the class room does not mean it is taught as fact. It means that children are able to observe opposing views and scientifically choose the one with the most evidential support.

But like I said, we can agree to disagree. I won't attack you for doing so, however. Like I said, I advocate tolerance and non-biased education.

As a side note: my sister attends school in America and I never said she is two grade levels higher because of supernaturalism. I said that she most certainly was not hindered by being exposed to it.

[Erinome]

People should be dancing in the street to know about our origin, finally, after a forever of believing what our species made up to fill in what we didn't know. Instead they'd rather believe preposterous stories made up by people who thought the fucking sky was hard. If those fucking insane idiots want to spread their ignorance to their kids, whatever. What the fuck can I do about it? What is unacceptable to me is not just teaching my kids that load of garbage, but robbing my children of time they could have spent learning something useful. Tolerance my ass! I'll tolerate what people want to teach their kids on their own time, but I'll be damned if I'm going to tolerate them taking up my kids time with their bullshit. Their bullshit isn't worth anyone's time.

Myths about creation, including the biblical myth- teach it in social studies or literature.
"Intelligent design"- shouldn't be uttered in a public school, unless it's to say that it's scientifically invalid.

Because it absolutely is.

[reverendjeremiah]

Pictured above: a shovel for Perhaps to help him dig his holes with.

[Minimalist]

Allowing creationism in the class room does not mean it is taught as fact.

And how would you do that, exactly?

[Perhaps]

The same way you don't teach evolution as fact? Allow science to criticize the theory. Leave it open to analysis and compare it to other relevant theories. Until a theory becomes a law, I'm perfectly ok with it not being accepted as fact.

[Cyberman]

Allowing creationism in the class room does not mean it is taught as fact.

And how would you do that, exactly?

I would imagine it going something along the lines of:

"Class, before we start the lesson, I am obliged under the Equal Time rule to tell you of an alternative explanation for origins that you will almost certainly encounter at some point. It's called creationism because it is the Biblical story of God creating the universe and has no evidentiary support for any of its claims outside that story, unless you factor in all the populist books written by well-known kooks and conmen. There, that was about thirty seconds; now we'll do some science."

[Jackalope]

Allowing creationism in the class room does not mean it is taught as fact.

And how would you do that, exactly?

Like this, perhaps?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t?...S5vid4GkEY

[Perhaps]

Either of those examples work. I don't support creationism or agree with it, but like I said, I see no problem with it being taught and refuted in a science class.

[Minimalist]

Leave it open to analysis and compare it to other relevant theories.

Teacher: Class, yesterday you we went over the evidence that life began 750 million years ago in the ocean. Today, you will learn that all life began 6,000 years ago in the Middle East.

Student: Teacher, what evidence is there for that?

Teacher: It's told in the bible but alas, there is no actual evidence for it.

(20 Minutes later the principal calls the teacher to his office)

Principal: The Baptist Theological Council wants you removed from the classroom for dissing the bible.



Perhaps you are really as naive as you sound, Perhaps. These bastards don't want it taught. They want it preached. There is a difference that you clearly do not understand.

As far as your notion that a theory can become a law it is apparent that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Until a theory becomes a law, I'm perfectly ok with it not being accepted as fact.

http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.

A theory is developed only through the scientific method, meaning it is the final result of a series of rigorous processes. Note that theories do not become laws. Scientific laws must exist prior to the start of using the scientific method because, as stated earlier, laws are the foundation for all science.

I think you were reading your fucking bible in science class.