Help with a Christian girlfriend

[genkaus]

You could try to prove the positive morality of homosexuality, or something of that nature. Unless you dont disagree with me, but that's fine too

Morality is concerned with what is chosen. Homosexuality is not a choice. Therefore it is neither moral nor immoral, it is amoral. Staying true to your nature, however is a matter of choice. So being a a heterosexual and pretending to be homosexual or vice-versa, would be immoral.

To the OP:
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.

You need to decide whether you can spend your life with someone so irrational that even when they know that their beliefs are unjustifiable, they are not willing to examine them. If you think that whatever this relationship has to offer compensates for this, then continue, otherwise, don't.

[organiccornflake]

You could try to prove the positive morality of homosexuality, or something of that nature. Unless you dont disagree with me, but that's fine too

Morality is concerned with what is chosen. Homosexuality is not a choice.

This is not fact, and your whole argument is based on such.

[Faith No More]

Morality is concerned with what is chosen. Homosexuality is not a choice.

This is not fact, and your whole argument is based on such.

Well, you can easily prove that it is a choice by choosing to be gay for a month.

[organiccornflake]

Morality is concerned with what is chosen. Homosexuality is not a choice.

This is not fact, and your whole argument is based on such.

Well, you can easily prove that it is a choice by choosing to be gay for a month.

I know many people who were homosexuals, who now are not. Oh; but I assume they are oppressing their inward desires?

[Loading Please Wait]

Hello There, heres a little help from another christian.
ive broken your issues down into two topics, biblical reason and common sense reason (since your aren't a christian)

Oh boy.. Thanks for breaking it down into "common since" for us. Us atheists aren't the brightest afterall..

Homosexuality is wrong
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Biblical reason: Repeated over and over again in both testaments. The bible calls homosexuality an "abomination"

Fuck the Bible. What is my mother calls giving money to the poor an "abomination"? Does that make it true? The rats crawling beneath my house have more authority over the Bible you fuckwad.

Common sense reason: 1. The pervasive act of homosexuality is a stepping stone to much worse sexual acts.

What? WHAT?! Why the fuck what 2 (or more) people having sex bothers you? SEX FEELS GOOD! It's a good thing you dumb ass shit. Go find some fucking dick or pussy and see for yourself!

2. Homosexuality prevents pro-creation

Hmm that's a bad thing, because we definetly have unlimited space for people to "pro-create" all they want..

3. Homosexuality highly increases chances of catching a disease

Having sex with ANYONE highly increases the chances of catching a disease you dumb ass! Just because your a guy and bang chicks doesn't mean your any less likely to catch a disease. Go pick up a condom, they give em out for free at health clinics.

Drinking is wrong
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Biblical reason: Not much. All of the major biblical figures consumed alcohol. Drunkenness and addiction is said to be wrong, but not alcohol itself.[quote]

Fuck the Bible.

[quote]Common sense reason: Drinking can easily elevate into an addiction, an addiction that can destroy your relationship and bank account.

Drinking responsibly can help ease stress and can be a lot of fun. I forgot that God forbids Christians to have fun. Pahaha Fuck God.

Although, you do have a point, drinking irresponsibly can be a bad thing, but so can anything done irresponsibly.

Divorce is wrong
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Biblical reason: When you make the covenant of marriage before god, you accept responsibility for your wife. You can't quite on a responsibility. (It should be noted that divorce is excused in the bible under certain conditions)

I do agree divorce is wrong. Not because the Bible tells me so.

Common sense reason: Divorces are messy, unpleasant affairs. The psychological affects it can have on children is devastating. Ultimately, it is usually easier to just tough it out through a rough patch.

Agreed.

Premarital sex is wrong
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Biblical reasoning: God says to remain pure of heart, mind, and soul. The bible says that sex is a beautiful act that should be saved for someone you've made a devotion to.

Fuck that greedy bastard of a God and fuck the Bible.

Common sense: I dont need to tell you how many lives have been destroyed by an unwanted pregnancy, or STDs. This can be many times more destructive in youth years. Innocence should be cherished. Would you want your children having sex with other children? Sex always makes relationships more complicated.

It's all about educating and teaching. People, especially kids, are NEVER going to stop having sex. It's a fact of life. WE ARE SEXUAL BEINGS, get the fuck over it. Premarital sex is not the problem. There are plenty of people who have protected sex and do safe practices. It's just like using a gun. Guns aren't the problem, it's the dumbasses using them.

And there you have it; a few reasons as to why your girlfriend believes what she does. If you would like more, or would like me to elaborate, please ask.

What you should tell your girlfriend is to stop reading fiction books.

[The Grand Nudger]

I know many people who were homosexuals, who now are not. Oh; but I assume they are oppressing their inward desires?

They're bisexual, at the least (I'm assuming you're basing this claim off of a new heterosexual behavior they've engaged in). Of course, it's entirely likely that your gay friends are actually blowing each other and lying to you about it. Did you give them the "Gay pass/fail" test? How is this test administered?

I wonder what the statistics are with regards to homosexual males who have children, and ex wives......

Lemme ask you something...as a supposed heterosexual....if being gay is a choice you make....why do you imagine someone would make such a choice? Also, what keeps you from choosing to be homosexual?

[Braveheart]

Propose to her! Problem solved! Mind you, an alcohol-free wedding would suck...

[Doubting Thomas]

It's funny how fundie Christians claim that drinking alcohol is evil, yet Jesus turned water into wine at that wedding.

I actually brought this up with a fundie friend who was trying to convert me (I liked my alcohol). He claimed that Jesus actually turned the water into grape juice, because supposedly there were two definitions of "wine" when the bible was being translated: one definition meaning "strong drink" and the other meaning "fruit of the vine" or grape juice. Isn't it interesting how he just seemed to know that the non-alcoholic translation was the one which was the true meaning?

This is false anyway, because in the bible there's a passage where they say that normally the best wine is served first, but you saved the best for last. The reason the best wine was served first is that after the guests had a few drinks of the good stuff and were feeling the effects, they could then bring out the not-so-good stuff which the tipsy or drunken guests wouldn't notice or care was inferior. At any rate, wine has been made for thousands of years and has been used in celebrations like that. A pot of grape juice wouldn't last very long without refrigeration before it started to ferment anyway. As someone who makes wine as a hobby, it only takes about 24 hours before fermentation starts.

But the thing is that fundies who are against drinking, among other behaviors, just don't seem to understand the idea of moderation. Just like the statement above saying that we should avoid alcohol because it could lead to alcoholism, this shows a basic misunderstanding that most people who drink don't chug it down until they're too drunk to move. I like to have one or two beers or glasses of wine in the evening, but I don't really care to get drunk. Having a drink or two takes the edge off and helps me to relax and relieve stress. And I've been drinking ever since I was 18, but I'm still not an alcoholic. Quite a few evenings can go by without me having so much as a drop. But fundies always tend to think that if alcohol is bad for one person, it's bad for everyone. Just like they seem to think that anyone smoking one joint will become a drug addict, and anyone looking at porn once in a while will become a raving sex maniac.

[organiccornflake]

I dont know how to multi-quote, so I will just type who I am responding to.

To Loading Please Wait: Every one of your statements could be summerized as, "I hate god! I hate religion! Do what feels good regardless of the effects!" This is clearly self-serving and immoral.

To Rhythm: People decide to be gay as a grab for attention perhaps. Perhaps it is the excitement of a sexual taboo. Perhaps it is to rebel. Perhaps it is to be different. There are a host of reasons... I choose not to be gay because its disgusting, and condemned by god. Plus its disgusting.

To doubting Thomas: Alcohol is not wrong. I agree with you.

[Darwinian]

I dont know how to multi-quote, so I will just type who I am responding to.

To Loading Please Wait: Every one of your statements could be summerized as, "I hate god! I hate religion! Do what feels good regardless of the effects!" This is clearly self-serving and immoral.

To Rhythm: People decide to be gay as a grab for attention perhaps. Perhaps it is the excitement of a sexual taboo. Perhaps it is to rebel. Perhaps it is to be different. There are a host of reasons... I choose not to be gay because its disgusting, and condemned by god. Plus its disgusting.

To doubting Thomas: Alcohol is not wrong. I agree with you.

And the LIONS gather for their feast!!!

Or, in other words, why don't you just state that you are an ignorant Christian troll who fancies a go at atheist bating?

Good luck with that