Fleshed out creation hallucinations

[Rokcet Scientist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FH2f4cZo..._play_all/

Where do they get this stuff?
LSD?

[reverendjeremiah]

He gets this from Catholicism, where they break down the heavenly host according to principalities.

In other words, every single thing this man talks about is fictional BASED on fiction.

Many of the names are merely rehash of old pagan religions. Lucifer was considered a beneficial God before Christianity came into power.

[Rokcet Scientist]

Well, I now know at least why Lucifer fell from heaven: he got his 24 wings all tangled up of course!

[KichigaiNeko]

I first thought that this in just and New Game about to come out and should be in Gaming...

[Rokcet Scientist]

It IS a game, Kichi.

A bloody serious one. But a game nevertheless.

[KichigaiNeko]

It IS a game, Kichi.

A bloody serious one. But a game nevertheless.

mk I'll bite....please define?

[Rokcet Scientist]

It's a game because it was invented, a construct.

[KichigaiNeko]

It's a game because it was invented, a construct.

The socio-religious part I understand...the fact that it uses Anime to tell it's story put me in mind of ghibli

[reverendjeremiah]

The best story I have ever heard about fallen angels comes from the Dungeons and dragons 4 core rules.

To understand the story better, there are some properties that you must be made aware of.

Alignments - The alignments are basically your moral and ethical code. Lawful means you are pretty much a team player, and stick to consistant views of order. Chaotic means you are unpredictable and change your views of order on a whim for any reason. Good means you are benevolent. Evil means you are malevolent.

Gods - Dungeons and Dragons by default makes their Gods of varying power. Demigod, lesser god, greater god. regardless, none of them are "all powerful and all knowing" by default (unless it is a house rule). They have limits on how much they can know.

Demons - demons are the chaotic evil spawn of the chaotic soup of the multiverse. They are the embodyment of fears and everything else that is considered malevolent in the multiverse. They populate a plane called "The abyss"

Devil - completely different from demons, Devils are Lawful evil tyrants. They have strict rules, and breaking the smallest rule even ever so slightly is cause for mazimum punishment. They populate a plane called "Baator" (Hell)

Okay, the stories all basically concede one thing: it is not possible to know exactly what happened this long ago, so keep that in mind:

Asmodeus (The great Lord of Hell) began as a servant of the lawful gods. Asmodeus is described in some versions of the myth as an "angel" (though this is self-contradictory given the time period during which this would have occurred). He was "the bravest, toughest, fiercest and most beautiful of angels." He and the other angels were created to fight the demons of the Abyss, so that the gods could concern themselves with creating worlds and sentient beings.

After eons of fighting the creatures from the abyss, Asmodeus and some of his fellows began to change. They grew similar in appearance and methods to the demons which they fought. Afraid of his power and of the changes he had undergone, the gods put Asmodeus on trial and demanded that he be cast out of the Upper Planes. However, he argued effectively (and correctly) that he and his fellows had not violated the law. Asmodeus and his followers successfully sued for access to the Upper Planes and the honors to which they were entitled.

Once the gods created worlds and sentient beings, the demons attacked these, too. The gods created mountains, oceans, and wastelands to seal up the gates to the Abyss, but their creations defied their orders and explored their worlds, accidentally unsealing the gates. The gods could not understand why their creations did not follow their instructions, until Asmodeus explained to them that their system did not work because it relied solely upon voluntary compliance. Asmodeus explained that the only way to ensure obedience was to threaten mortals with a disincentive; hence, Asmodeus invented the concept of punishment.

Asmodeus convinced the gods to sign a contract called the Pact Primeval. This contract allowed Asmodeus and his fellow devils to take up residence in the abandoned realm of Baator, to punish the souls of wicked mortals, and to extract magical energy from the souls under their care in order to fuel their powers. Otherwise, Asmodeus reasoned, they would have to be granted the powers of godhood in order to do their job, which the current gods would surely find unacceptable.

At first, the gods found the arrangement agreeable. However, they eventually realized that fewer and fewer mortal souls were ascending to the Upper Planes, and Asmodeus was deliberately tempting mortals to damnation. When they arrived in Baator, the gods found that Asmodeus had turned it into a nightmarish world of endless suffering, filled with countless new devils. When called to account for his actions, Asmodeus uttered the famous words, "Read the fine print."

This story is presented as mythology, and the Codex itself admits that it does not tell the whole truth. For example, it is known that Asmodeus did not depart from the Upper Planes under amicable circumstances: He was cast out, and literally fell into the Lower Planes, sustaining serious wounds which have never healed. Part of Asmodeus' long-term plans includes using the magical energy harvested from souls in order to heal his wounds, and ultimately, the complete destruction of the Upper Planes.

The names of the "gods" involved seem to change depending on what world and source the myth is told on, and some aspects and versions of the origin myth contradict others. For example, the version told in the Fiendish Codex II states that St. Cuthbert became a distinct deity when he agreed with Asmodeus that "Retribution is the basis of all law," while the Deities & Demigods sourcebook states that he is a mortal who ascended to godhood.

The Manual of the Planes suggests a similar but different story. According to the section about the Nine Hells, Asmodeus' true form is that of a giant serpent, hundreds of miles long. He was cast out of the Upper Planes before the creation of the current gods, and his fall created the 8th and 9th planes of Hell. He is currently still recovering from his wounds in the pits of the 9th level, and his devil form is just an avatar of the real Asmodeus. No one who tells the story of the true form of Asmodeus survives more than 24 hours after the telling.

In the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, Asmodeus is established as an ancient deity who was relegated to the position of archdevil and toiled for untold millenia to regain his divinity.
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I feel that if you are going to make up bullshit to explain the universe, then at least make it interesting and preferably entertaining. The stories above are much better than the shit in this dudes video.

[KichigaiNeko]

So now theists are using Dungeons and Dragons to tell their god story??

hock: Amazing!