"Barbarians" more sophisticated then Romans
May 2, 2009 at 4:10 am
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2009 at 4:14 am by Giff.)
Edit: This threads name have been renamned to sophisticated then intellegent.
Saw a very intresting documentary yesterday and the week before that also. It was called "(a british name I dont remember)+ Barbarians" That british guy explained what the "barbarians", which the roman calle them really was.
The first programm was about the Celts and it was revield that they where the first on the continent to build roads, atleast the oldest road ever found i Celtic. They also had a very sophisticated society and an empire, which it acctually was, that where all the way from Ireland to todays Germany and Lithuainia. They also had bigger trading connection then the romans and had society where the women accutally could have a leading role. Which they couldn't in Rome.
That empire was lost when Caesar invaded it. He did it for reason that acctually was made up, he said that the invasion was to protect the Celts from an another Celtic invaders. What he was reffering was to a peaceful nomade group that used to travel thru the celts borders. That nomade group at first asked Rome if they could travel thru the Romans land, since it was more of a shortcut, but the Romans didn't allow that. The nomades did then travel, as they done so many times before, across the Celts land. Caesar said that they where invading and therefore killed them, to protect the poor Celts, and then later "Liberated" the Celtic cities one by one. The real obejctive was to get the gold that the Celts had possesion of. Which was great great amounts. It was not discovered until rescently that the Celts had a extreme amount of gold mines all across there empire. Just in the Gaeilic terrotoriy where there between 400-600 goldmines.
Yesterdays program was about the Greek and Persians which where also very intresting. The persian empire was never defeated by the romans and it was acctually more advanced as an empire then the roman. Acctually in every category. Politically, mathemtically, science, military and economically.
The first Persian rulers, that the roman come in contact with, where celebrating cultural diffrences and saw every diffrent cultural group as something that could contribute to the empire in a positive way. They also were'nt a central power as the Roman empire. Rome couldn't understand they're way of ruling there empire and of course got jealous. Also they saw there way of life as primitive and non-sophisticated to the romans.
Later on the Parthians was ruling Persia was also they celebrating cultural diffrences and science. They also came with great architectucal inventions which is much the same technique which is used today in Islamic architecture. But the roman didn't manage to defeat them either.
Later on came another ruler of Persia that was very violent and intolerant. More then the romans themselves. The country became a cental power and the multicultural society dissepeard. There should be only one ruler and one religion. They started to have one standing army, as the romans,o and the other provinces that before were somewhat independent became one with the empire.
The king that ruled, ruled with an ironfist and defeated three roman emperors. The last one did he capture and humiliate until the day the former Roman emperor died. Then the persian king stuffed him and showed him to the public.
Greeks on the other hand was more easier to defeat for the Romans. They where a country full of small independent city-states. Rhodos who was a centre for sience, math, philosphy, great inventions and technology became a city which instead should educate future roman politicians. Both Caesar and Cassius went to the city to learn the art of speak. The later one learned that the city had valuble treassures and were unprotected, so he decided to invade it with his army and loot it. Which he did, the city never recoverfrom that.
Rhodos had before the inventions had great thinkers, inventers and other intellegent persons in the city. Document from a person that had written down some inventions he tell us that there was a prototype of a wheel that could roll by itself and also a steamengine, plus alot of other highly advanced inventions.
Later on in the early 20th century was a sunken roman ship discovered outside of Rhodos besides the obvious treasures that was found did they find a planetorium in box form. At first didn't they know was it was until they many years later x-rayed it and discovered that underneath it where gears that resembles a clockworks.
Some ancient greek astronomers were acctually playing with the idea that the earth was orbiting around the Sun and not the other way around. but that was a difficult idea to understand back then.
Knowledge like this disspeared when the romans started to rule the country. The romans weren't intrested in discoveries, math, phiosophy or any technology that couldn't improve their army. They were just intrested in power, politics, world domination and war. They couldn't understand most of the advanced ideas that the Greeks had, the samething with other ideas "barbarians" had.
It's quite obvious when you see that there haven't been one single famous roman mathematician. The "barbarians" that they thought were primitive and discusting was acctually the more sophistcated ones in most areas. The only thing that romans where contirbuting where military techniques, which was the only real thing that they accutally understood and was intrested in.
Saw a very intresting documentary yesterday and the week before that also. It was called "(a british name I dont remember)+ Barbarians" That british guy explained what the "barbarians", which the roman calle them really was.
The first programm was about the Celts and it was revield that they where the first on the continent to build roads, atleast the oldest road ever found i Celtic. They also had a very sophisticated society and an empire, which it acctually was, that where all the way from Ireland to todays Germany and Lithuainia. They also had bigger trading connection then the romans and had society where the women accutally could have a leading role. Which they couldn't in Rome.
That empire was lost when Caesar invaded it. He did it for reason that acctually was made up, he said that the invasion was to protect the Celts from an another Celtic invaders. What he was reffering was to a peaceful nomade group that used to travel thru the celts borders. That nomade group at first asked Rome if they could travel thru the Romans land, since it was more of a shortcut, but the Romans didn't allow that. The nomades did then travel, as they done so many times before, across the Celts land. Caesar said that they where invading and therefore killed them, to protect the poor Celts, and then later "Liberated" the Celtic cities one by one. The real obejctive was to get the gold that the Celts had possesion of. Which was great great amounts. It was not discovered until rescently that the Celts had a extreme amount of gold mines all across there empire. Just in the Gaeilic terrotoriy where there between 400-600 goldmines.
Yesterdays program was about the Greek and Persians which where also very intresting. The persian empire was never defeated by the romans and it was acctually more advanced as an empire then the roman. Acctually in every category. Politically, mathemtically, science, military and economically.
The first Persian rulers, that the roman come in contact with, where celebrating cultural diffrences and saw every diffrent cultural group as something that could contribute to the empire in a positive way. They also were'nt a central power as the Roman empire. Rome couldn't understand they're way of ruling there empire and of course got jealous. Also they saw there way of life as primitive and non-sophisticated to the romans.
Later on the Parthians was ruling Persia was also they celebrating cultural diffrences and science. They also came with great architectucal inventions which is much the same technique which is used today in Islamic architecture. But the roman didn't manage to defeat them either.
Later on came another ruler of Persia that was very violent and intolerant. More then the romans themselves. The country became a cental power and the multicultural society dissepeard. There should be only one ruler and one religion. They started to have one standing army, as the romans,o and the other provinces that before were somewhat independent became one with the empire.
The king that ruled, ruled with an ironfist and defeated three roman emperors. The last one did he capture and humiliate until the day the former Roman emperor died. Then the persian king stuffed him and showed him to the public.
Greeks on the other hand was more easier to defeat for the Romans. They where a country full of small independent city-states. Rhodos who was a centre for sience, math, philosphy, great inventions and technology became a city which instead should educate future roman politicians. Both Caesar and Cassius went to the city to learn the art of speak. The later one learned that the city had valuble treassures and were unprotected, so he decided to invade it with his army and loot it. Which he did, the city never recoverfrom that.
Rhodos had before the inventions had great thinkers, inventers and other intellegent persons in the city. Document from a person that had written down some inventions he tell us that there was a prototype of a wheel that could roll by itself and also a steamengine, plus alot of other highly advanced inventions.
Later on in the early 20th century was a sunken roman ship discovered outside of Rhodos besides the obvious treasures that was found did they find a planetorium in box form. At first didn't they know was it was until they many years later x-rayed it and discovered that underneath it where gears that resembles a clockworks.
Some ancient greek astronomers were acctually playing with the idea that the earth was orbiting around the Sun and not the other way around. but that was a difficult idea to understand back then.
Knowledge like this disspeared when the romans started to rule the country. The romans weren't intrested in discoveries, math, phiosophy or any technology that couldn't improve their army. They were just intrested in power, politics, world domination and war. They couldn't understand most of the advanced ideas that the Greeks had, the samething with other ideas "barbarians" had.
It's quite obvious when you see that there haven't been one single famous roman mathematician. The "barbarians" that they thought were primitive and discusting was acctually the more sophistcated ones in most areas. The only thing that romans where contirbuting where military techniques, which was the only real thing that they accutally understood and was intrested in.
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